Laguna Beach Election 2026 · Candidate forum Completed forum
South Laguna Civic Association 2026 City Council Candidate Forum
Held Tuesday, October 6, 2026 at 6:00 p.m. (doors open 5:30 p.m.) at Laguna Beach Community Recreation Center (former St. Catherine’s School).
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Forum held October 6 · Coverage updated October 8, 2026
Twelve South Laguna questions, eight candidates’ answers
James Henry moderated a South Laguna-focused forum with one-minute answers and a randomized speaking order. Eight candidates answered all 12 questions. Edward Bayuk was absent; Henry read his submitted closing statement before the other candidates’ closings.
Recording, transcript and attribution notes
NimbleGov PAC published the recording on October 7 Pacific time. South Laguna Civic Association hosted the forum; the uploader is a separate organization. So Laguna Neighborhood Association is also a separate organization from SLCA. Speaker assignments follow the moderator’s handoffs and identifying context in the responses.
The locally archived text preserves automatic English captions with rolling display duplicates removed. Names, dates, numbers and technical terms can be misheard. Timestamps link to the opening of each indexed answer. The summaries and question headings are paraphrases; the video remains authoritative. Candidate and moderator claims about spending, legal obligations, staffing, test scores or other facts have not been independently verified by this answer index. The searchable transcript retains the source text without adding inferred speaker labels.
Compare all 12 questions and answers
- Emergency care and a possible tax · 2:10
Should Laguna retain a fully operational emergency room, what should the City do, and would you support a new tax if needed to keep the hospital and ER open?
Support for a ballot measure is different from endorsing a tax outright. Claims about hospital obligations and outside funding are attributed statements.Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffCalls emergency and acute care essential. Wants pressure on Providence or a new operator. Opposes making residents pay, while leaving a possible tax conversation open if it would actually secure an ER.
- Alex RounaghiMakes emergency care his highest priority. Describes work with the Attorney General, zoning leverage, a proposed smaller hospital and discussions with another operator. Says all options must remain open without giving a clear tax answer.
- Joy BerrySupports a full acute-care hospital with beds. Wants to study comparable small communities and the economics, then use that information in negotiations with Providence. Does not directly answer the tax part.
- Laura ParisiPrioritizes ER access. Before considering a tax, wants the required service level, sustainable operating costs and who would pay established.
- Ashley CintasOpposes a hospital tax and wants independent work rather than reliance on Providence. Also raises concerns about the newly reported outside committee contribution supporting the incumbents.
- Mark OrgillSupports a full-service, modern hospital. If a tax became a last option, would vote to place it on the ballot so residents could decide.
- Sue KempfSays a new tax is not needed. Supports the hospital subcommittee and regional collaboration, and expresses optimism about another solution without announcing a confirmed operator.
- Karen MartinOpposes a local tax for a hospital serving residents, neighboring cities and visitors. Wants to stop relying on Providence and organize regional pressure and cooperation.
- Hospital land use · 12:30
Should the hospital site remain exclusively for medical use?
Medical use, assisted living, housing and parking are distinct proposals; the summaries preserve those distinctions.Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffCalls the site a community asset, rather than a development opportunity. Wants hospital parking used to relieve neighborhood spillover and any change to serve residents.
- Alex RounaghiWould consider adaptive reuse of the existing tower for senior assisted living alongside a smaller hospital elsewhere on the campus, if that makes emergency care economically feasible. Also criticizes independent PAC spending and says he cannot coordinate with it.
- Joy BerryWants medical zoning retained and an acute-care hospital with beds. Would also use the existing parking garage to reduce neighborhood parking pressure.
- Laura ParisiWants medical use protected because restoring it after a change could be difficult. Would use land-use leverage to preserve health services for residents.
- Ashley CintasFavors keeping medical use as much as possible, with independent analysis and community input on possible parking use.
- Mark OrgillIs open to assisted care or senior housing with community involvement. Opposes developing the rear hillside portion of the property.
- Sue KempfWould consider housing in the existing building alongside a smaller hospital and ER. Says the site and its parking warrant evaluation after the hospital plan is clearer.
- Karen MartinSupports medical care with doctors available beyond an ER-only model. Would consider long-term or convalescent care and senior assisted living as complementary uses.
- Catalina lots and park space · 20:42
Should the City purchase the two lots at Monterey and Catalina as additional park space for children and dogs?
Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffSupports using City tax dollars for community-serving park space and open-space preservation, including the garden.
- Alex RounaghiSupports the park concept but would not pay above appraised value. Suggests philanthropy could fill a funding gap.
- Joy BerryStrongly supports buying the lots and improving Village Green. Argues South Laguna needs a fairer share of investment and better park maintenance.
- Laura ParisiSupports a financially responsible acquisition and would consider the long-term value of preserving open space when evaluating the price.
- Ashley CintasSupports additional park space, with community input and consideration of donations, purchase costs and ongoing maintenance. Also asks the incumbents to denounce election corruption in response to outside spending.
- Mark OrgillSupports acquisition at a fair price and says he has supported the effort previously, while preserving closed-session confidentiality.
- Sue KempfDescribes previous closed-session purchase discussions and the asking price. Is willing to discuss acquisition but declines to disclose negotiating details.
- Karen MartinSupports acquisition after reviewing title and opportunity costs. Would also investigate other sites that could meet South Laguna’s needs.
- South Coast Water District voting rights · 28:52
Would you commit to City action to restore South Laguna residents’ right to vote for South Coast Water District directors?
The moderator’s historical and procedural claims are not independently verified here. Rounaghi’s “not supportive right now” is qualified by his openness to a broader water strategy.Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffCriticizes repeated promises without action and calls for actual follow-through on the issue.
- Alex RounaghiSays he does not support this step right now, prioritizing expansion of groundwater rights and water independence for South Laguna. Remains open to voting rights as part of a broader strategy.
- Joy BerryChallenges the incumbents over past inaction and calls for a changed Council to deliver the repeatedly promised voting rights.
- Laura ParisiWants results and says the issue should be resolved before the next election.
- Ashley CintasCommits to making restoration a top priority and delivering a result rather than another election promise.
- Mark OrgillSupports restoration and making it a priority, acknowledging that more effort is needed.
- Sue KempfSupports restoration and describes possible resident, City or district petitions through LAFCO, including City payment of the filing fee.
- Karen MartinSupports moving forward and proposes a public report within 60 days on agreements and the path she says LAFCO has identified.
- South Laguna’s share of City spending · 35:22
Should more tax revenue be spent in South Laguna, and what should the priorities be?
Tax shares, staffing counts and completed investments in the discussion are candidate or moderator claims, not independently audited figures.Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffWants more rangers and stronger enforcement on South Laguna beaches. Criticizes delayed responses to visitor impacts and calls for better management.
- Alex RounaghiPrioritizes visitor impacts, more park rangers and enforcement, trash service and Village Green improvements. Describes staffing and cleanup increases as progress that can be expanded.
- Joy BerryPrioritizes purchasing the garden, open space and parks before opportunities disappear. Wants South Laguna revenues reinvested in residents’ quality of life.
- Laura ParisiSupports more work in South Laguna while allocating funds by need and return rather than separating the City into competing areas. Prioritizes the fire station, hospital, environment and parks.
- Ashley CintasWants transparent figures on revenue and allocations, infrastructure and safety priorities, and completion of funded projects.
- Mark OrgillWould use the General Plan and Local Coastal Program updates and an implementation strategy to address neighborhood needs and deliver projects.
- Sue KempfPrioritizes enforcement and visitor-impact management, along with the fire station and potential property acquisitions.
- Karen MartinWould put neighborhood priorities into the General Plan and budget, with a public capital schedule listing costs, funding and delivery dates. Prioritizes crossings, sidewalks, sanitation, fire safety and evacuation.
- Beach infrastructure and funding · 45:35
What additional improvements do South Laguna beaches need, and how should they be funded?
Speakers give conflicting descriptions of the beach-transfer funding period. Those statements are preserved as claims, without treating either as an audited finding.Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffQuestions the long-term funding plan for the beach takeover. Prioritizes enforcement, visitor standards and a realistic financial plan.
- Alex RounaghiWould use visitor parking revenue for rangers and mitigation, and seek regional development contributions, including from the Laguna Hills Mall project.
- Joy BerryWants sanitation prioritized and tourism marketing reduced. Criticizes the takeover’s planning and argues that “stewardship” must translate into action.
- Laura ParisiSupports regional funding agreements and spending focused on public safety, facilities and infrastructure.
- Ashley CintasWants an accounting of the beach-transfer funds and more hotel-tax revenue used for beach safety, facilities, sanitation and completed improvements.
- Mark OrgillDescribes a stewardship partnership with the Coastal Commission to address infrastructure, capacity and contemporary visitor pressures.
- Sue KempfWould expand Thousand Steps restrooms and continue incremental enforcement and service improvements, using resident reports and strategic planning.
- Karen MartinWould seek mitigation funds when neighboring development agreements are reopened and ensure City staff negotiate for Laguna’s visitor impacts.
- Commercial parking requirements · 55:15
How should the General Plan or zoning code prevent intensified commercial uses from shifting parking pressure onto the City and neighborhoods?
Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffWants a comprehensive parking plan, including hospital parking for business employees, before changing requirements and increasing neighborhood spillover.
- Alex RounaghiSupports modernizing parking requirements to allow adaptive reuse and local businesses, using Wigz as an example of an approval delayed by old requirements.
- Joy BerryCriticizes low parking ratios and piecemeal projects. Wants existing private parking at Gelson’s, Montage and the hospital used through partnerships.
- Laura ParisiWould not reduce business parking requirements when doing so shifts private parking demand into residential neighborhoods.
- Ashley CintasWould require evidence on parking demand, traffic, safety, evacuation and neighborhood impacts before making changes, rather than decisions based on a developer’s immediate needs.
- Mark OrgillFavors a parking management plan without reducing existing standards.
- Sue KempfSupports reconsidering stringent requirements that can contribute to vacancies. Agrees with adaptive reuse and wants a workable parking management approach.
- Karen MartinWants a carrying-capacity study linked to the General Plan so parking and other studies have practical force before requirements are loosened.
- Public restrooms · 1:03:00
Would you support more public restrooms in South Laguna, and where should they go?
Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffWants visitor-demand data and resident input before placing restrooms near Village Green or in neighborhoods, noting that bathrooms can draw more visitors.
- Alex RounaghiSupports the fire-station restrooms and suggests the Catalina lots if acquired responsibly. Wants resident input and careful evaluation of neighborhood impacts.
- Joy BerrySuggests hospital facilities and improved beach restrooms, with environmentally sound sanitation systems rather than new neighborhood impacts.
- Laura ParisiSupports restrooms near beach access and other busy areas, with consultation before selecting sites.
- Ashley CintasOpposes placing restrooms in neighborhoods. Wants existing facilities improved in high-demand areas before buying new property.
- Mark OrgillSuggests public restrooms at the hospital parking area and urges caution about the visitor activity a new restroom location attracts.
- Sue KempfWould expand Thousand Steps facilities and consider seasonal mobile restrooms at the Catalina property, hospital or a Fifth Avenue lot through agreements.
- Karen MartinSuggests business incentives for bathrooms near Coast Highway and emphasizes that many users are workers and delivery drivers as well as beachgoers.
- Community Recreation Center · 1:10:23
What should the City do with the former St. Catherine’s property and its community programs?
Statements about land law, property values and prior officials’ intentions are attributed claims. Partial sale, ground lease and selling the whole property are different choices.Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffOpposes selling the property to plug budget gaps. Supports recreation, arts, senior programs and sports, with a clear community-benefit plan.
- Alex RounaghiSupports community use but says parking rules and lack of improvement funds limit it. Would consider selling a portion or a long-term ground lease to generate revenue for the facility.
- Joy BerryOpposes speculative buying and flipping. Would explore affordable housing at the rear and possible ownership housing at the front to help fund it.
- Laura ParisiOpposes selling the property. Supports community-center use with utilization and financial targets and regular progress reports.
- Ashley CintasWould like it retained as a financially sound community center, while considering different uses on part of the site, including affordable housing, with residents involved.
- Mark OrgillDefends taking advantage of property opportunities and would remain open to alternatives while managing prior Council decisions.
- Sue KempfDefends the acquisition as valuable community property. Says parking rules constrain use and wants financial and community considerations weighed.
- Karen MartinWould publish room-by-room use, waiting-list, accessibility and cost information; test senior, arts, youth and meeting programs; and compare partnership models before declaring space surplus.
- Community Garden acquisition · 1:19:38
Should the City help acquire the Community Garden at its current site or another location, and how would you pursue it?
The owner’s willingness, past negotiations and the legal implications of zoning or eminent domain are not independently established by this answer index.Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffSupports preserving the garden and seeking state, federal, private or community funding, while criticizing other spending that limits available funds.
- Alex RounaghiSupports the current garden and wants a willing seller. Describes recent community discussions and sees the Catalina lots as a fallback opportunity.
- Joy BerrySupports a garden and park as part of South Laguna’s village character through a public-private partnership.
- Laura ParisiSupports City assistance with funding and facilitating a public-private transaction to retain the garden.
- Ashley CintasSupports keeping the garden, reviewing past negotiations and pursuing nonprofit or government funding, acquisition or a long-term lease.
- Mark OrgillSupports preserving the garden and would consider eminent domain or other approaches. Warns that the proposed zoning tactic could invite legal challenges.
- Sue KempfIs open to buying it after further work on ownership, availability and price. Describes earlier purchase efforts that did not result in a transaction.
- Karen MartinSuggests starting a land-use and zoning change toward garden/open space to bring the owner into negotiations, while saying she supports property rights.
- Beach patrol and park rangers · 1:27:17
Should the City restore beach patrol or increase ranger time on South Laguna’s beaches and remote coves?
More enforcement is not the same proposition as restoring the previous nonsworn patrol program.Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffSupports more private security and enforcement beyond current locations, better coordination and measurable performance information for future summers.
- Alex RounaghiPrefers sworn park rangers and security support, with more staffing and beach-focused deployment. Opposes nonsworn patrol because of authority and liability concerns.
- Joy BerryWants clearer enforcement roles and a better staffing plan, saying rangers should not be expected to perform conflicting functions.
- Laura ParisiSupports more City presence at remote beaches, sworn officers where possible, entrance coverage and strategic scheduling.
- Ashley CintasSupports restoring beach patrol and reviewing staffing, deployment and spending so South Laguna beaches receive more coverage.
- Mark OrgillSupports the transition to rangers and added security, while seeking solutions to seasonal demand and staffing constraints.
- Sue KempfPrefers park rangers and private security to the former nonsworn beach patrol. Says enforcement authority and staff safety make them more effective.
- Karen MartinWould use a capacity study to establish and publish peak-demand patrol schedules, compare redeployment with a new unit, and keep lifeguarding distinct from ordinance enforcement.
- Gelson’s and neighborhood grocery access · 1:36:07
What can the City do to end the former Gelson’s vacancy and help bring back a grocery store?
The moderator’s account of the lease and candidates’ legal, tax and financial claims are attributed statements, not independently verified findings.Read candidate answers
- Nick AronoffWould seek legal review of newly mentioned grocery-access legislation, regular public updates and pressure for Gelson’s or another operator to reopen.
- Alex RounaghiEmphasizes the impact on nearby seniors and supports exploring legal options and community pressure, including the newly mentioned legislation.
- Joy BerryWould organize residents to pressure senior management to reopen or allow another grocer into the site.
- Laura ParisiWould bring the parties together, remove unnecessary obstacles and seek grocery opportunities, while recognizing that government cannot simply guarantee a tenant.
- Ashley CintasMakes filling the site with a grocery store a priority. Suggests subleasing and legal review of anti-competitive issues, drawing on commercial lease experience.
- Mark OrgillSupports community mobilization, demonstrations and media attention alongside City efforts, saying City Hall cannot produce change alone.
- Sue KempfDescribes unsuccessful contacts with Gelson’s and the property manager. Thinks financial pressure elsewhere in the company may eventually change its willingness to release the space.
- Karen MartinWould prepare a concrete plan and strategies for Gelson’s, with a credible City commitment rather than only asking it to lease to someone else.
Read 12 answers and closing statement
- 1. Emergency care and a possible taxCalls emergency and acute care essential. Wants pressure on Providence or a new operator. Opposes making residents pay, while leaving a possible tax conversation open if it would actually secure an ER.
- 2. Hospital land useCalls the site a community asset, rather than a development opportunity. Wants hospital parking used to relieve neighborhood spillover and any change to serve residents.
- 3. Catalina lots and park spaceSupports using City tax dollars for community-serving park space and open-space preservation, including the garden.
- 4. South Coast Water District voting rightsCriticizes repeated promises without action and calls for actual follow-through on the issue.
- 5. South Laguna’s share of City spendingWants more rangers and stronger enforcement on South Laguna beaches. Criticizes delayed responses to visitor impacts and calls for better management.
- 6. Beach infrastructure and fundingQuestions the long-term funding plan for the beach takeover. Prioritizes enforcement, visitor standards and a realistic financial plan.
- 7. Commercial parking requirementsWants a comprehensive parking plan, including hospital parking for business employees, before changing requirements and increasing neighborhood spillover.
- 8. Public restroomsWants visitor-demand data and resident input before placing restrooms near Village Green or in neighborhoods, noting that bathrooms can draw more visitors.
- 9. Community Recreation CenterOpposes selling the property to plug budget gaps. Supports recreation, arts, senior programs and sports, with a clear community-benefit plan.
- 10. Community Garden acquisitionSupports preserving the garden and seeking state, federal, private or community funding, while criticizing other spending that limits available funds.
- 11. Beach patrol and park rangersSupports more private security and enforcement beyond current locations, better coordination and measurable performance information for future summers.
- 12. Gelson’s and neighborhood grocery accessWould seek legal review of newly mentioned grocery-access legislation, regular public updates and pressure for Gelson’s or another operator to reopen.
Closing statement
Calls for earlier listening, proactive plans and measurable results instead of neglect and reactive decisions. Wants capital funding used for its intended improvements and long-term obligations understood.
Watch statement · 1:47:47 ↗Read 12 answers and closing statement
- 1. Emergency care and a possible taxMakes emergency care his highest priority. Describes work with the Attorney General, zoning leverage, a proposed smaller hospital and discussions with another operator. Says all options must remain open without giving a clear tax answer.
- 2. Hospital land useWould consider adaptive reuse of the existing tower for senior assisted living alongside a smaller hospital elsewhere on the campus, if that makes emergency care economically feasible. Also criticizes independent PAC spending and says he cannot coordinate with it.
- 3. Catalina lots and park spaceSupports the park concept but would not pay above appraised value. Suggests philanthropy could fill a funding gap.
- 4. South Coast Water District voting rightsSays he does not support this step right now, prioritizing expansion of groundwater rights and water independence for South Laguna. Remains open to voting rights as part of a broader strategy.
- 5. South Laguna’s share of City spendingPrioritizes visitor impacts, more park rangers and enforcement, trash service and Village Green improvements. Describes staffing and cleanup increases as progress that can be expanded.
- 6. Beach infrastructure and fundingWould use visitor parking revenue for rangers and mitigation, and seek regional development contributions, including from the Laguna Hills Mall project.
- 7. Commercial parking requirementsSupports modernizing parking requirements to allow adaptive reuse and local businesses, using Wigz as an example of an approval delayed by old requirements.
- 8. Public restroomsSupports the fire-station restrooms and suggests the Catalina lots if acquired responsibly. Wants resident input and careful evaluation of neighborhood impacts.
- 9. Community Recreation CenterSupports community use but says parking rules and lack of improvement funds limit it. Would consider selling a portion or a long-term ground lease to generate revenue for the facility.
- 10. Community Garden acquisitionSupports the current garden and wants a willing seller. Describes recent community discussions and sees the Catalina lots as a fallback opportunity.
- 11. Beach patrol and park rangersPrefers sworn park rangers and security support, with more staffing and beach-focused deployment. Opposes nonsworn patrol because of authority and liability concerns.
- 12. Gelson’s and neighborhood grocery accessEmphasizes the impact on nearby seniors and supports exploring legal options and community pressure, including the newly mentioned legislation.
Closing statement
Prioritizes emergency care, public safety, wildfire mitigation, visitor enforcement, water infrastructure and budget efficiency. Wants groundwater access extended to South Laguna.
Watch statement · 1:59:40 ↗Read 12 answers and closing statement
- 1. Emergency care and a possible taxSupports a full acute-care hospital with beds. Wants to study comparable small communities and the economics, then use that information in negotiations with Providence. Does not directly answer the tax part.
- 2. Hospital land useWants medical zoning retained and an acute-care hospital with beds. Would also use the existing parking garage to reduce neighborhood parking pressure.
- 3. Catalina lots and park spaceStrongly supports buying the lots and improving Village Green. Argues South Laguna needs a fairer share of investment and better park maintenance.
- 4. South Coast Water District voting rightsChallenges the incumbents over past inaction and calls for a changed Council to deliver the repeatedly promised voting rights.
- 5. South Laguna’s share of City spendingPrioritizes purchasing the garden, open space and parks before opportunities disappear. Wants South Laguna revenues reinvested in residents’ quality of life.
- 6. Beach infrastructure and fundingWants sanitation prioritized and tourism marketing reduced. Criticizes the takeover’s planning and argues that “stewardship” must translate into action.
- 7. Commercial parking requirementsCriticizes low parking ratios and piecemeal projects. Wants existing private parking at Gelson’s, Montage and the hospital used through partnerships.
- 8. Public restroomsSuggests hospital facilities and improved beach restrooms, with environmentally sound sanitation systems rather than new neighborhood impacts.
- 9. Community Recreation CenterOpposes speculative buying and flipping. Would explore affordable housing at the rear and possible ownership housing at the front to help fund it.
- 10. Community Garden acquisitionSupports a garden and park as part of South Laguna’s village character through a public-private partnership.
- 11. Beach patrol and park rangersWants clearer enforcement roles and a better staffing plan, saying rangers should not be expected to perform conflicting functions.
- 12. Gelson’s and neighborhood grocery accessWould organize residents to pressure senior management to reopen or allow another grocer into the site.
Closing statement
Emphasizes financial stewardship, protection of hillsides and natural and historic resources, residents’ quality of life, and independent scrutiny of staff recommendations.
Watch statement · 1:50:23 ↗Read 12 answers and closing statement
- 1. Emergency care and a possible taxPrioritizes ER access. Before considering a tax, wants the required service level, sustainable operating costs and who would pay established.
- 2. Hospital land useWants medical use protected because restoring it after a change could be difficult. Would use land-use leverage to preserve health services for residents.
- 3. Catalina lots and park spaceSupports a financially responsible acquisition and would consider the long-term value of preserving open space when evaluating the price.
- 4. South Coast Water District voting rightsWants results and says the issue should be resolved before the next election.
- 5. South Laguna’s share of City spendingSupports more work in South Laguna while allocating funds by need and return rather than separating the City into competing areas. Prioritizes the fire station, hospital, environment and parks.
- 6. Beach infrastructure and fundingSupports regional funding agreements and spending focused on public safety, facilities and infrastructure.
- 7. Commercial parking requirementsWould not reduce business parking requirements when doing so shifts private parking demand into residential neighborhoods.
- 8. Public restroomsSupports restrooms near beach access and other busy areas, with consultation before selecting sites.
- 9. Community Recreation CenterOpposes selling the property. Supports community-center use with utilization and financial targets and regular progress reports.
- 10. Community Garden acquisitionSupports City assistance with funding and facilitating a public-private transaction to retain the garden.
- 11. Beach patrol and park rangersSupports more City presence at remote beaches, sworn officers where possible, entrance coverage and strategic scheduling.
- 12. Gelson’s and neighborhood grocery accessWould bring the parties together, remove unnecessary obstacles and seek grocery opportunities, while recognizing that government cannot simply guarantee a tenant.
Closing statement
Explains her financial-accountability concerns as City Treasurer. Offers financial literacy, transparent accounting and reporting, and attention to declining reserves and expenses.
Watch statement · 1:57:53 ↗Read 12 answers and closing statement
- 1. Emergency care and a possible taxOpposes a hospital tax and wants independent work rather than reliance on Providence. Also raises concerns about the newly reported outside committee contribution supporting the incumbents.
- 2. Hospital land useFavors keeping medical use as much as possible, with independent analysis and community input on possible parking use.
- 3. Catalina lots and park spaceSupports additional park space, with community input and consideration of donations, purchase costs and ongoing maintenance. Also asks the incumbents to denounce election corruption in response to outside spending.
- 4. South Coast Water District voting rightsCommits to making restoration a top priority and delivering a result rather than another election promise.
- 5. South Laguna’s share of City spendingWants transparent figures on revenue and allocations, infrastructure and safety priorities, and completion of funded projects.
- 6. Beach infrastructure and fundingWants an accounting of the beach-transfer funds and more hotel-tax revenue used for beach safety, facilities, sanitation and completed improvements.
- 7. Commercial parking requirementsWould require evidence on parking demand, traffic, safety, evacuation and neighborhood impacts before making changes, rather than decisions based on a developer’s immediate needs.
- 8. Public restroomsOpposes placing restrooms in neighborhoods. Wants existing facilities improved in high-demand areas before buying new property.
- 9. Community Recreation CenterWould like it retained as a financially sound community center, while considering different uses on part of the site, including affordable housing, with residents involved.
- 10. Community Garden acquisitionSupports keeping the garden, reviewing past negotiations and pursuing nonprofit or government funding, acquisition or a long-term lease.
- 11. Beach patrol and park rangersSupports restoring beach patrol and reviewing staffing, deployment and spending so South Laguna beaches receive more coverage.
- 12. Gelson’s and neighborhood grocery accessMakes filling the site with a grocery store a priority. Suggests subleasing and legal review of anti-competitive issues, drawing on commercial lease experience.
Closing statement
Offers further conversations with residents and challenges the incumbents to denounce corruption in response to the outside committee contribution. Her allegations are presented as her statements, not established findings.
Watch statement · 1:51:50 ↗Read 12 answers and closing statement
- 1. Emergency care and a possible taxSupports a full-service, modern hospital. If a tax became a last option, would vote to place it on the ballot so residents could decide.
- 2. Hospital land useIs open to assisted care or senior housing with community involvement. Opposes developing the rear hillside portion of the property.
- 3. Catalina lots and park spaceSupports acquisition at a fair price and says he has supported the effort previously, while preserving closed-session confidentiality.
- 4. South Coast Water District voting rightsSupports restoration and making it a priority, acknowledging that more effort is needed.
- 5. South Laguna’s share of City spendingWould use the General Plan and Local Coastal Program updates and an implementation strategy to address neighborhood needs and deliver projects.
- 6. Beach infrastructure and fundingDescribes a stewardship partnership with the Coastal Commission to address infrastructure, capacity and contemporary visitor pressures.
- 7. Commercial parking requirementsFavors a parking management plan without reducing existing standards.
- 8. Public restroomsSuggests public restrooms at the hospital parking area and urges caution about the visitor activity a new restroom location attracts.
- 9. Community Recreation CenterDefends taking advantage of property opportunities and would remain open to alternatives while managing prior Council decisions.
- 10. Community Garden acquisitionSupports preserving the garden and would consider eminent domain or other approaches. Warns that the proposed zoning tactic could invite legal challenges.
- 11. Beach patrol and park rangersSupports the transition to rangers and added security, while seeking solutions to seasonal demand and staffing constraints.
- 12. Gelson’s and neighborhood grocery accessSupports community mobilization, demonstrations and media attention alongside City efforts, saying City Hall cannot produce change alone.
Closing statement
Emphasizes civility, bringing people together, City management and legal-department changes, and visitor stewardship. Says overtourism benefits no one and complex problems need continued management.
Watch statement · 1:55:47 ↗Read 12 answers and closing statement
- 1. Emergency care and a possible taxSays a new tax is not needed. Supports the hospital subcommittee and regional collaboration, and expresses optimism about another solution without announcing a confirmed operator.
- 2. Hospital land useWould consider housing in the existing building alongside a smaller hospital and ER. Says the site and its parking warrant evaluation after the hospital plan is clearer.
- 3. Catalina lots and park spaceDescribes previous closed-session purchase discussions and the asking price. Is willing to discuss acquisition but declines to disclose negotiating details.
- 4. South Coast Water District voting rightsSupports restoration and describes possible resident, City or district petitions through LAFCO, including City payment of the filing fee.
- 5. South Laguna’s share of City spendingPrioritizes enforcement and visitor-impact management, along with the fire station and potential property acquisitions.
- 6. Beach infrastructure and fundingWould expand Thousand Steps restrooms and continue incremental enforcement and service improvements, using resident reports and strategic planning.
- 7. Commercial parking requirementsSupports reconsidering stringent requirements that can contribute to vacancies. Agrees with adaptive reuse and wants a workable parking management approach.
- 8. Public restroomsWould expand Thousand Steps facilities and consider seasonal mobile restrooms at the Catalina property, hospital or a Fifth Avenue lot through agreements.
- 9. Community Recreation CenterDefends the acquisition as valuable community property. Says parking rules constrain use and wants financial and community considerations weighed.
- 10. Community Garden acquisitionIs open to buying it after further work on ownership, availability and price. Describes earlier purchase efforts that did not result in a transaction.
- 11. Beach patrol and park rangersPrefers park rangers and private security to the former nonsworn beach patrol. Says enforcement authority and staff safety make them more effective.
- 12. Gelson’s and neighborhood grocery accessDescribes unsuccessful contacts with Gelson’s and the property manager. Thinks financial pressure elsewhere in the company may eventually change its willingness to release the space.
Closing statement
Defends her campaign and public-safety endorsements, criticizes PAC spending, and says independent committee support does not establish coordination or corruption. Invites residents to speak with her.
Watch statement · 1:52:59 ↗Read 12 answers and closing statement
- 1. Emergency care and a possible taxOpposes a local tax for a hospital serving residents, neighboring cities and visitors. Wants to stop relying on Providence and organize regional pressure and cooperation.
- 2. Hospital land useSupports medical care with doctors available beyond an ER-only model. Would consider long-term or convalescent care and senior assisted living as complementary uses.
- 3. Catalina lots and park spaceSupports acquisition after reviewing title and opportunity costs. Would also investigate other sites that could meet South Laguna’s needs.
- 4. South Coast Water District voting rightsSupports moving forward and proposes a public report within 60 days on agreements and the path she says LAFCO has identified.
- 5. South Laguna’s share of City spendingWould put neighborhood priorities into the General Plan and budget, with a public capital schedule listing costs, funding and delivery dates. Prioritizes crossings, sidewalks, sanitation, fire safety and evacuation.
- 6. Beach infrastructure and fundingWould seek mitigation funds when neighboring development agreements are reopened and ensure City staff negotiate for Laguna’s visitor impacts.
- 7. Commercial parking requirementsWants a carrying-capacity study linked to the General Plan so parking and other studies have practical force before requirements are loosened.
- 8. Public restroomsSuggests business incentives for bathrooms near Coast Highway and emphasizes that many users are workers and delivery drivers as well as beachgoers.
- 9. Community Recreation CenterWould publish room-by-room use, waiting-list, accessibility and cost information; test senior, arts, youth and meeting programs; and compare partnership models before declaring space surplus.
- 10. Community Garden acquisitionSuggests starting a land-use and zoning change toward garden/open space to bring the owner into negotiations, while saying she supports property rights.
- 11. Beach patrol and park rangersWould use a capacity study to establish and publish peak-demand patrol schedules, compare redeployment with a new unit, and keep lifeguarding distinct from ordinance enforcement.
- 12. Gelson’s and neighborhood grocery accessWould prepare a concrete plan and strategies for Gelson’s, with a credible City commitment rather than only asking it to lease to someone else.
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Emphasizes government experience, questioning staff and using a capacity study to secure regional mitigation funds and protect Laguna’s natural resources and character.
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- 0:01comments here are going to be very very short before James Henry kicks it off. My main purpose tonight is to thank the Henry family, James and Julia and Ann and was out at the desk out outside. Uh everything everything that you see here is what they set us up for tonight.
- 0:22And uh there was a group that helped pull the questions together, but thank you to the family, Henry, for making this one all possible with that one. James, come on over. Thank you again, and uh good luck tonight. All right, thank you guys for coming. Uh
- 0:43I'm not going to I'm going to try and just I'm not going to do a half hour standup. Uh although no, you don't want to see that. So, uh, we've sent them a list of questions. We're not going to get through them all tonight. Um, we, what
- 0:57we tried to do tonight is make this kind of a more South uh, forum. I want to thank the candidates. This is their ninth forum and they have another one to go to. So, this is a lot of I actually had thoughts of making like a
- 1:17concert tour t-shirt of all the stops they made, which we should probably do because it's it's crazy. Um, but we think South Auna has some special uh considerations and we're hoping that we can elicit some information from the candidates and we can all learn
- 1:34something tonight. So, I'm going to start off. Um, the format's going to be we're we've randomized how they answer. We're going to give them each a minute to answer. There's a uh timer up there that's really oriented for them, but we also have people holding up things to
- 1:49tell them when their time is done. Um, the first question we have, which on your list is question 25, uh, has to do with the emergency room. This is a townwide issue, but it's really South Auna that started this thing. And so we thought we'd lead off
- 2:07with a emergency room question. So the question is, Providence Mission Hospital is leaving the city and abandoning the hospital that has been an important institution in South Auna for longer than almost anyone can remember. Policy 6.10 10 of the general plan calls for
- 2:25retention of a fullervice acute care hospital offering emergency services. And we believe that retaining or better yet dramatically improving the hospital, including a fully staffed and equip equipped emergency facility to serve our community and its visitors indefinitely,
- 2:43is an urgent public safety concern. Some people have even proposed a city tax to go towards keeping an emergency room in town. Here's the question. Do you agree that we need to retain a fully operational emergency room? And if so, what do you think the city should be
- 3:00doing to make that happen? If a tax were necessary to keep the hospital and ER open, would you support a new tax for that purpose? Nick, you're first. >> Uh, thank you. Thank you for everybody being here tonight. Um it's really important that every part of Laguna
- 3:20Beach gets represented and gets their voices heard and so I'm really glad that South Luna Civic Association was able to uh put this on tonight. Um when it comes to uh an emergency room and a QA care facility, I think it's absolutely imperative that we make sure that uh we
- 3:36have one that stays in Laguna Beach. And I think if Providence is not uh interested in uh being that partner with us, then we need to find another partner. And we need to be using everything we can in our toolbox to apply pressure and make sure that they
- 3:51work with us. And if they're not going to work with us, then like I mentioned before, we need to find a better partner. And when it comes to attacks, um personally, I'm not in favor of any tax. if it's something that will actually lead to assisting us in getting
- 4:04an emergency room, that could be a conversation that we start. But I don't see how raising that a tax where we're going to be able to raise uh, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars is going to uh make any significant uh impact. And so I I don't believe it's the
- 4:22resident's responsibility to pay to keep it in Laguna Beach. It's on Providence to uh to keep their word in being a good partner. >> We're going to go end to end. Alex, you >> We're going to go end to end. Alex, you next. >> Well, first of all, thank you to the
- 4:39South Laguna Civic Association. As someone born and raised in South Laguna, I appreciate all that you do. I also appreciate the scholarship. I went to an expensive college, so that really helped my family a lot. So, thank you for that. Um, I think the hospital is our highest
- 4:51priority because in 1953, Officer Gordon French died because he couldn't get to a hospital in time. The same need exists today. The attorney general found in 2016 that closing this emergency room would have significant consequences. We we found a 2024 condition on the radian
- 5:10chalk merger that says that this hospital this hospital needs to operate till 2034. We're working with the attorney general's office to argue that that condition still applies. Um it's a complicated issue. Our land use in the zoning is our biggest tool and we've
- 5:25made that point to Providence. They're coming back to us with a plan for a mini hospital later this month. We're talking to other operators. I can't say who, but it's somebody that everyone in this room would be excited about. All options have to be on the table because um the stakes
- 5:38couldn't be higher. enjoy your next. >> Thank you, South Laguna Civic Association. I call South Lagoona my home. So, you're my neighbors and welcome. I feel like I'm at home. We definitely need to have a a full acute
- 6:00care hospital. We know that Catalina Island has one. South Lake Tahoe has one. Aspen, Colorado has one. And those are even smaller populations. So, we need to understand the economics of how they can run an acute care hospital with beds because I think if these other
- 6:18places can do it, so can we. And I really do believe in doing due diligence and understanding the economics. And then we understand that then we go to bat at the negotiating table with Providence and say, "Look, if these other people can do it, so can you and
- 6:34we need it here and that council and government should fight for it all day long. Thank you, >> Hi, and thank you for having me. Um, yes, I think access to an ER is a would definitely be a high priority for me. Um
- 7:01before I would um tax or require a tax, I would uh need to determine what level of service um we would need to provide in our ER. Um what level is financially sustainable, the cost of operations, and finally determine who would be required to pay for that service.
- 7:36Thank you. Um I've written a lot of articles and spoken a lot about the emergency room um and the lack of um prioritizing it for the first seven months until a poll said that it was a priority for residents. Um I don't believe in doing the tax either.
- 7:50I think we need to do a lot of our own independent work and not be relying on Providence since Providence has already said that they don't plan on keeping the emergency room. But I do think that there's a bigger issue and the elephant in the room that has happened in the
- 8:02last few days um that needs to be discussed that is the biggest issue hitting Lagona right now is that what has happened that came out yesterday with $100,000 out of town developer giving money to the three incumbents. And let me just um say that is the
- 8:20largest donation that's been ever given in Laguna Beach history. And um I'm pretty disappointed in that. You know, I ran on trans I'm running on transparency and accountability and I decided to run because residents were coming into Laguna Beach and they said that this
- 8:37city council is backed by developers. They're in their pockets and I never engaged in that because I didn't want to believe it. Um and I was running and I'm running because of the lack of leadership and the lack of focus and that we're in the first time ever a
- 8:49three-year deficit. But I think they need to answer answer about the donation and I think we do need to take time. The residents have >> res mute or mic just >> we're going to be asking the questions up here.
- 9:06>> So it's that's a fair question, but we have a set of questions and we have a set of parameters and so we're going to let everybody have the same amount of time. >> Yeah. I there's an overwhelming consensus in the community. uh in
- 9:20support of the hospital. I haven't heard one person actually that um has a contrary opinion that they emergency room isn't a necessity. So the the public will is there. It needs to be full service, state-of-the-art. And I ultimately keep in mind any tax has to
- 9:38be voted in by the the public. So, if we got to that point and that was one of the um uh last options, I would certainly uh vote to put the tax on the ballot that would let the community ultimately make up the decision. >> Yeah. Thank you everybody for taking
- 10:01time out of your evening to join us today. Um, so as Al as Mark mentioned, you know, we pulled the community, 90% of the people wanted to keep the hospital, which is completely understandable, and I like the work that Alex and Bob were doing on, you know, we
- 10:15can't participate. The rest of the council can't participate actively because they're a subcommittee. But Providence, you know, has been playing a game for a long time, and they didn't really come through with us in terms of their specific plans until, you know,
- 10:25recently. You know, I know I know there's about a third of the board members who live in Lagouna Beach that uh serve on the Hogue board. I actually met one of them um at a campaign event not very long ago. Um I don't think we need a new tax, but I do feel like it's
- 10:39going to work out just fine because in South Orange County, like you know, Dana Point, San Clemeni, San Juan, and Lagouna Beach, we needed we all these cities need an an ER. And so I think working together and I think with the work that not only the subcommittee is
- 10:53doing, but the community group that we have, I think we'll get a good solution. You know, it's it's there's a lot of consolidation in healthcare and I could see something good happen here. I don't know anything and I'm not I'm not here to announce anything, but that's just my
- 11:06that's my feeling. >> Hi, good evening. Thank you for attending tonight. My name is Karen Martin and I'm grateful to be here um to answer your questions. With regards to the hospital, I think it's time to let go of Providence and stop negotiating
- 11:30with them. Providence has not shown to be a good neighbor. They've they've had patients on their fifth room that have caused problems to the local neighborhood. Um, I think the way to solve this is definitely not a local tax. That hospital serves us. It serves
- 11:52the region and it serves visitors. I think what we need to do and I commend the people that did the change.org that have almost 10,000 um 10,000 um signatures. We need to continue to do that, but we need to work with our
- 12:12neighboring cities in conjunction with them, and we need to have them apply pressure just as much. Thank you. Okay, so we're following up the hospital emergency room question with a hospital property question for those of you with the question 26. Um, there's a huge
- 12:35parcel of land at that location. Hospital occupies parts of it. So the question has to do with what to do with that site. The topic of land use designation for the hospital site is to be considered by the s city's hospital task force. The
- 12:52original gift of the site was specifically conditioned in the deed by the donor, the James Irvine Foundation that the property and all improvements constructed thereon shall be maintained, operated, and used as a nonprofit
- 13:06hospital. Though that deed restriction was later lifted, the use of the entire side of the hospital was clearly the original intent. Nonetheless, some of the candidates have talked about an alternate land, alternate land uses. Do you believe that the current hospital
- 13:22site should remain exclusively for medical use? Joy, you're up first. >> Thank you. um zoning environmental and zoning laws or planning laws are the really only club that this uh organization or government has and so we need to keep it zoned as medical use
- 13:42otherwise it will go to some other purpose and I don't I think we all agree or the residents believe the quality of life is better if we have a 24-hour 7-day a week uh acute care hospital with beds. So, we need to do make sure that we do do that. If there's a alternative
- 14:00use for some of the parking, it might be us residents stare at an empty parking garage. And if we could get Providence to use that parking garage to get some of these people off the streets and our neighborhoods parking, that's what I would support. But I don't believe it
- 14:14should be anything but for hospital care. >> Yeah, I agree with Joy. I think the the first thing that needs to be thought about is when we look at the hospital property, it's a community asset. It's not a development asset. And it's
- 14:33unfortunate to hear the incumbents talk about development opportunities when it comes to the hospital property. I think we need to be focusing on what uh the parking garage, getting people off the streets and the neighborhoods and utilizing that parking to offset so
- 14:49residents can have resident parking passes. I know that's not something that we can wave with our a magic wand and have it done overnight, but it's something that we need to be working towards. And we can't be sitting on the sidelines and allowing every summer to
- 15:01come up and have residents be, you know, uh accosted in their parking uh in their streets, in their neighborhoods, trying to find parking in front of their homes. And so we need to make sure that uh anything that is done with that property, it's community serving and not
- 15:17uh special interest serving. Yeah, I agree. The um I mean what to use for the property needs to be done on what the community needs and independently um evaluated and not just what it's been said to be done by people who are not going to be uh being there
- 15:38anymore. So I think it needs to be um kept as medical use unless that the community and South Lagona and what Lagona needs um is to use it for parking. But I would like to keep it with medical as much as possible. >> Uh, yes. First off, I I appreciate
- 15:56Ashley bringing up the um the outside expenditure. I think I the only person who might have been more disappointed than her was me because we are not able to coordinate with PAX. I think it's outrageous that we have Citizens United where outside interests are able to
- 16:10spend money. If I were as a resident, I asked the same questions that you are asking. Why would they want to spend $100,000? I have no idea. I don't want their support. I'm not legally allowed to coordinate with them or to reject their support. They're spending that
- 16:23money and that's really unfortunate. As it relates to the land use for the hospital, we have to approach this from how do we get the end goal which is retaining access to emergency care in Laguna Beach. Potentially there could be a way to do adaptive reuse of the
- 16:36existing hospital that is not going to be seismically upgraded and put a mini hospital elsewhere on the campus. Then you could do senior assisted living in that tower. I'm open to all things, but we have to start with the idea that we have to have a hospital and then we have
- 16:49to figure out how to make it economically feasible. So, I think we really need to approach it from how do we actually get to what we want instead of playing politics. This microphone kind of comes from behind in here.
- 17:05So, you know, it's zoned institutional. So, any any use that we have in there is going to require a um conditional use permit. But I think, you know, assuming we could keep an ER and I think what Providence has been saying is that, you know, we could have a smaller hospital
- 17:20there as long in order to accommodate an ER, we need a smaller hospital per state law. So, we'd have to we're going to have to see how that kind of works out. But, um, I think what would be a good site for housing because it's an asbuilt, it's an asbuilt environment. We
- 17:32don't have to do a lot stuff for the inside. And you know, when we're kind of up against it with housing and these arena numbers, it might not be a bad, you know, reason bad use of the of the property there, there's plenty of parking and there's plenty of parking
- 17:44available in the summer, too. People just tend not to go there even though we put signs and flashing signs and all this other stuff. It's still underutilized. But, um, we'll have to see what happens with the hospital and then we can figure out what what's the
- 17:55highest and best use of that. But, you know, I've been in the hospital a couple times visiting people on the regular floors and it's not very full. So that's just two, you know, incidental, you know, observations. >> Thank you. Um well I think it's
- 18:15exceptionally important to keep that hospital um in keep that property as a medical use because once you convert um or use that land use or change the land use um restoring medical use would be extremely difficult. So I would use the leverage to preserve health care um
- 18:36health services and use as a um service facility for the residents. >> Thank you. Um I think one item that has not been looked at is the fact that we don't have any long-term care in South Orange County. So when somebody is going to be in a hospital over 10 days, we
- 19:05you'd have to go to Westminster. Um I think we can retain the medical use, but I think we have to be open to other uses. I personally don't want to go to a an emergency room that doesn't have doctors immediately ready to operate on me if
- 19:24needed. So I would be careful about making that an emergency room only. We we actually need other doctors and I do support a combination use of either a long-term long-term care hospital or convolescent hospital or senior assisted living on that property. Thank you.
- 19:53I agree with Karen and I also agree with Alex and I think that we have to keep a bit of an open mind regarding uh our conversations moving forward with Providence and maybe there's assisted care facility or a senior uh housing or a component of that nature. But either
- 20:07way, it has to be a a community uh conversation and uh I think the community would have to be involved. I I do think that we should um avoid any development on the back of the property toward the hillside and that's um I'm pretty adamant about that.
- 20:34>> There we go. Sorry there's a lot of mic jocking around. Apologize. Um this is our third question is question 20 on your list. Um, this has to do with the Catalina lots. South of Aliso Creek, we have one only one very small intensely used city-owned
- 20:53park, the Village Green. Repairs are needed to the play equipment, and SLCA is working with the city to try and preserve the playground special character and restore the landscape. In addition, there are conflicts between children, their families, and dogs and
- 21:08their owners about how to compate the need the needs of both. We have an opportunity to expand the village green by acquiring the two empty, relatively flat lots diagonally across the street at Monterey and Catalina, which would make it possible to provide sufficient
- 21:24room and facilities for both children and dogs. Do you support the purchase of those lots as additional park space before it is too late? Ashley, you're up first. >> Um, I do I think it would be best to um be asking the community of what you guys
- 21:42would want um the use of those lots and making sure that we look at um nonprofit or um you know public private donations to be able to um be able to pay for it and also how we're going to maintain it and all the costs that go along with being able to keep that property. Um, so
- 21:58but I do think with the limited amount of space that South Laguna has that it would be a really great feature for the community to be able to have. And Alex, I really appreciate you um saying that you uh were not aware of the 100,000. I would ask all three of you incumbents to
- 22:12do a press conference with all of us tomorrow denouncing any corruption of buying an election. So I hope that all of us can do that tomorrow. So if South Lagoona feels somewhat of a stepchild that's because we have been a stepchild when I consider all of the
- 22:37focus has been towards 8 to 10 million in the canyon 8 to n million in the prominade all these other portions have parks. So yes, we need to most of the tax dollars comes from South Lagoona. We need to take care of the quality of life for
- 22:55South Lagoona people and what helps our quality of life or is something what everyone can enjoy which is a park and it's open to the public and and it's very much needed and I mean right now we can't even get a repaired swing. If you've been to our village site, it's
- 23:13pathetic. It's embarrassing. And so I'm from South Lagoona. We need to take care of South Lagoona. Yes, by all means. Thank you. Yeah, we had um in October of 2024, we had two notice close sessions on on um discussions about purchasing this property. The property owner bought
- 23:36it for 1.7 in 2020 and he's asking over $4 million. I can't talk about what we talked about in close session, but obviously we didn't buy it. So, and I'm very aware of what goes on in South Lagoon. I spend a lot of time walking down there and down there two or three
- 23:51times a week picking up trash and I go into the parks a lot or village green park and I see the problem there. So, you know, we're we're aware of it. We're willing to talk about it. Beyond that, as I'm still a sitting council member, I'm not going to say too much more about
- 24:02that. I don't want to tip my hand. uh back well so I I grew up in South Lagona and for as long as I can remember uh that park or that uh lot has been a dirt lot and so uh to what Joy was saying about our the tax dollars of South Lagona going towards other
- 24:23projects it reminds me of uh when I lived in DC the license plate said taxation without representation and I feel like that's what South Laguna has been experiencing and if we're going to use tax dollars uh to buy property it needs to be for the community serving
- 24:38and nothing sounds more community serving in like a bark park or an extension of the village green. And so I would absolutely be in support of that. That's good tax dollars uh at use when it comes to purchasing property, keeping uh space open. And that extends also to
- 24:54the um the community garden as well. So we need to be doing what we can to preserve the open space to keep from over uh the overdevelopment of South Lagoona. And so using tax dollars in that way to uh keep it a community serving good. I fully support.
- 25:18>> Well, I actually lived in South Laguna for a few years on Summit and um we had a couple of dogs and so I'm a dog lover, but I know that South Laguna needs both dogs, places for dogs and places for kids. I believe South Laguna also has the largest number of children.
- 25:35Oh, >> okay. Um, so I can't >> So I can't see your faces anymore, so I'm take my glasses off. So um um so I would support um I would support any acquisition as long as we understood the the title um and what are the
- 26:01opportunity costs when we do that acquisition. And I think we really need to look at South Laguna, I was on the housing and human services committee and the affordable housing task force where we were looking for sites and what I realized sometimes sites are in plain
- 26:15sight and they're not the most obvious ones. So I would support um looking at alternative sites to meet the same requirements and needs of Southampton. Thank you. >> Yes. That was Village Green Park was my
- 26:32childhood park and I want to give a shout out to Ann Kristoff who was the leader to make that happen. the the the she had always identified that as the place where South Laguna's park was going to be and the board of supervisors
- 26:47who oversaw South Lagona at the time were looking at um doing something with that park and so she was able to rally people to stop it and that's why I had that great childhood experience at Village Green Park. As relates to the acquisition of this property, I support
- 27:01the concept of it. I think we need to invest more in South Auna. really comes down to what council member Kemp was talking about, which is that we cannot overpay for a property even if it has the best use. We have a policy at the city where we we do an appraisal and
- 27:14government should not be in the business of paying more than a property is worth. Um, that's just fiscally responsible. So, I think that if we could put together a deal where it's a fair deal for the city, maybe we have some private philanthropy that can fill the capital
- 27:26gap, that's a great thing. I'm also working with um Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Uh yes, I have uh supported the effort in the past. As Sue said, it was a close session um agenda item and so I really can't talk about the specifics. I've also shown support in
- 27:48the past for the community garden and we've also had a lot of challenges with that, you know, finding who the ownership was and um establishing a fair price and but if we could get organized and establish a fair price for this property, I would I would definitely
- 28:02support that. >> Well, I like everything I've heard so far. Yes, I would definitely support um this type of acquisition financially, but doing so responsibly. It sounds like there's a unique opportunity here and um open space I I
- 28:25just think open space has a long-term benefit and so perhaps evaluating the price um in relation to that long-term benefit might help bring together that economic gap. All right. How's everyone doing? You okay? All right. I thought we went to
- 28:49Showtime Lakers here. The, you know, when the lights went down. So, um, I'm I have a little preamble on this next question, which is question one has to do with voting rights. I think this is my fourth one of these to do over the last eight years. We have asked this
- 29:06question and everyone every candidate supports the idea and we're asking it again. So I hope not to be here in another two, four or eight years asking this question. But since we're in the same boat, we're going to ask it. All of South Auna is when this within
- 29:23the service area of the South Coast Water District, but outside of its electoral boundaries. Until 1999, the residents of South Laguna could vote for the water district's board of directors. Then the city council and the water district agreed without consultation of
- 29:40the voters to shift the electoral bound boundary but not the service boundary of the southward edge to the edge of Dana Point thus disenfranchising voters in South Auno. In South Auno, we continue to be charged for the South South County Water District's projects, for example,
- 29:57the proposed Dhini Dowl plant and we continue to be at odds with the water district about product projects within our community, namely the further development of the 4th Avenue parcel. We strongly believe that we should be able to vote for the members of the
- 30:14water district's board. For this to happen, only the Lagona Beach City Council can initiate the process. Over the pro past several election cycles, all council candidates have agreed to support the reinstatement of our right to vote, but no action has been taken.
- 30:30Would you commit to having the city initiate action to restore our right to vote? Sue, you're up first. >> Yeah, thank you. I you know I think this we've talked about this topic before as as James was saying and I think the the thread got lost during COVID like a lot
- 30:48of things but I think there's kind of three ways we could approach this. I do support it. Um one is I think we could petition LAFCO as residents. That's one way to do it. And you know, we could c the city could cover the $7,500 nominal fee or the city could uh petitionco or
- 31:05third is south coast water uh district could also petition. So I think there's three good alternatives. I was I know I know Dave uh Kif and Rick Shakaco have been talking about this but it's probably like a six to ninemonth effort but I I do think it's doable and I do
- 31:20think we'll be able to do it. Um, so I I think the biggest distinction here is no more making it a talking point or an election promise and actually producing a result. Um, there is a viable pathway with looking at the boundaries and working with LAFCO. Um,
- 31:39so you have my commitment that that will be a top priority when I'm on city council and it will not be an election promise for next uh term. Thank you. Um, thank you. Um, in my research, I guess LAPCO already documented this problem and laid out a path forward. And
- 32:01from what I understand, it's a pretty simple path with the current council by just doing an agreement. So, this is a governance issue. It's not something that needs a lot of effort. It just fell off the table um of the council. Um, I think the next item for council would
- 32:22be a 60-day public report with existing agreements. It's it's already uh an item that LAFCO has approved. Thank you. Well, as I read it, says all successful candidates agreed to support the reinstatement. So let's ask these incumbents what have they been doing for
- 32:46the last 4 to8 years because if it's secular government then that why haven't they taken issue with it? If this council doesn't change if the people on this council don't change guess what nothing's going to change and we'll be here again in two to four years asking
- 33:06the same question. So your vote really matters. There's no doubt there's there's a lot to do, but there's there's been a lot done. And uh do I support the effort? I do support the effort. Uh do I think that we could put more energy into it
- 33:25and make it happen? I do. And um I think that we could make it a priority. >> Uh yeah, it's this is all talk and no action. I mean, we have 28 topics that we printed out here to talk about tonight of things that they say they're going to do and they're not doing it.
- 33:47And they're only talking about it because it's an election year. At some point, support has to turn into action. >> I'm really surprised this still this is still a talking point. Um, I would focus on results. you've seen results in the treasurer's office. Um, I see no reason
- 34:12that that this should be on the list during the next election process. So, I I asked this question in 2020. I think I worked with Greg and made the video for the candidates. I'm going to give a hot take here. I actually don't I'm not supportive of this right now.
- 34:28And the reason is that water independence is my goal for South Auna. I'm a South Auna resident. What we've done is we've negotiated a deal with Fountain Valley and Newport Beach to access our groundwater rights from 1924. That doesn't apply to South Lagoona. So
- 34:40my goal is we're working with Orange looking at our rights with Orange County Water District and my goal would be to be able to expand those rights to South Lagoona so that we get access to local reliable groundwater. So, I think we definitely need to look at at um
- 34:56establishing the voting rights, but I think my goal is water independence, and I think that it's it's more than a minute, but at the end of the day, what we want is local water reliability, and we don't want to be reliant on the Colorado River, which currently South
- 35:08Paguna is. So, I'm open to this, but I want to do it in a smart way where we're leveraging the groundwater rights and trying to expand those groundwater rights because at the end of the day, we want local water reliability in South A. Okay, the next question is question six
- 35:27on your list. Okay, we're going to go into some percentages and numbers, but um bottom line is South Auna gives city more money than the rest of town. So, property tax is by far the largest s source of revenue to the city government. With about 18% of Lagona's
- 35:48population, South Laguna contributes more than 20% of the property tax revenue the city collects annually. That means that South Auna is sending an extra $5 million in property tax to the city annually, beyond what would expect from 18% of the population. We do not
- 36:04believe that these revenues have been spent proportionally in South Auna, but have rather been largely directed towards other parts of the city. We have lobbyied for many years for such things as the acquisition of additional open space, the acquisition of the community
- 36:19garden, the installation of sidewalks and safe crossings along Coast Highway, and construction of public restrooms. We are pleased to be getting a new fire station, but we continue to feel that our express needs are being largely ignored. Do you agree that more of these
- 36:34tax revenues should be spent in the southern portion of the city? And if so, what do you think should be the priorities? Karen, you're up first. So, South Auna, you have an opportunity. The city has committed to update the general plan, and I would tie the
- 36:51subsidy flows to um the general plan. South Auna should be able to see its priorities in the budget, not just in meeting minutes. I would start with safe crossings, sidewalks, beach sanitation, fire and evacuation needs. Of course, um I want public capital improvement
- 37:12schedule showing the cost, the funding source and the delivery date for each of the neighborhoods. I think you need to be aware of the budget, talk with your treasurer, and you also need to show up at the council meetings and make sure
- 37:31um that the general plan has a program that supports South Lagona and South Laguna's needs, then you have the legal teeth to hold the council's feet to the fire. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Um, yeah, we have we
- 37:50have we have spent well, we spent sign significant money on the fire on the fire station. I'd be glad to see when it gets built is taking forever. Um, but I think for South Laguna, I mean, I've been walking down there and picking up trash like three times a week. So, I've
- 38:05gotten very familiar with South Laguna and kind of what goes on down there. And I personally think I mean apart from these property acquisitions we just talked about the Catalina properties but I think apart from that it just needs more it needs more enforcement and it
- 38:17needs more kind of visitor impact management because so proximate to the beach there and it's very predictable if you're out walking around that how people are going to treat the beach and how they're going to treat the neighborhoods and I think we need to
- 38:28spend more time on that. Um so that's that's mainly my focus. I've had several conversations with the South Lagoona Civic Association and various members, John Thomas and others, and uh I I think that it's an issue that should be dealt with and discussed. I
- 38:48can't say that I have all of the answers now, but what I do know now is that we're getting ready, as Karen mentioned, to enter into the update of the general plan, which also leads us to the LCP. And there will be a lot of new um opportunities within that effort to
- 39:04address a lot of um modern problems that we're having and different ways to manage that. A part what we're doing a little bit differently this time is we're actually going to um along with those updates is we're going to create an implementation strategy to make sure
- 39:19that the um efforts actually get done and just aren't uh reside in a document. Yeah, I think that there's a um few issues here that then would need to be, you know, corrected. Um is that one is that there has to be a transparency behind the numbers and how much money is
- 39:41then going to be allocated, how much money, the tax revenue that um the revenue that South Laguna is generating into the city and then how much is going to be given back and what's it going to be used for. um because right now that just seems to be the big question mark
- 39:53is how much selfun is being able to um receive and then obviously the infrastructure and the public safety and then towards the beaches since we purchased the beaches um would need to be the first priority to take care of that but most importantly once the money
- 40:06is allocated for it it needs to be finished and I think that that's the biggest gap right now that's happening is that there's a lot of conversation a lot of plans there's money allocated to something and then it's not the project's never finished we have a lot
- 40:18of examples that will be talked about today on that. So that would be my commitment um when on city council. >> Thank you. Um yes, I I I do agree more needs to be done. Um but I I don't think you would separate one part of the city from from another. I I think you put
- 40:40your money in areas where it you get the best return. Um there are a number of priorities in South Lagoon and what part of this question was where do you think the pri what do you think should be some of the priorities? Well clearly public safety that fire station needs to uh uh
- 40:57be done and completed and done very well. Um the hospital is a is a big item. Um and there's quite a bit in the environment that uh could be uh focused on parks. So, I'm hoping that if you feel like more uh needs to be done, it looks like um
- 41:20there's a lot in the hopper that could be done and I would support that those projects. That's a disproportionate spending in in regards to what's collected. And we know that in South Lagoona and there's this old saying, you snooze, you lose. So, we
- 41:42know that once the land is gone, it's gone. So, we do need to make a priority of making sure we get our gardens, our open space, and our parks because it's not going to be around forever and the values in the land. And this gives a great um quality of life to all of us as
- 42:00we walk and enjoy our neighborhoods. And a lot of the South Lagona Village has small yards and so these little parks and open space means the world to all of us. I know we all hike it. We all experience it. So that would be a priority and putting those tax dollars
- 42:16since it's coming from us. It should go back to us and helping our quality of life. So, it's exciting that we're going to have one of our forest fire stations is going to be seismically sound. That'll be South Lagoon. But I think the biggest
- 42:33challenge in South Lagona is visitor impacts. I grew up there and when I grew up going to the beach at West Street, it was a totally different environment that exists today. I think the cause of that are two is twofold. One, social media. Number two is just all the development
- 42:45in Irvine and the Inland Empire. Now, they're coming to this beach. What we've done over the past four years is double the number of park rangers. I think we probably have to continue to increase the number of park rangers cuz at the end of the day with the coastal
- 42:56commission policies that exist and I know the mayor is working on that with the executive director of the coastal commission. We really need to have more enforcement and so doubling them is a good start but I think we need to continue looking at expanding
- 43:08enforcement expanding um we've tripled the trash pickup in South Laguna that has made an difference. I think it can we can always do more but I really think that at the end of the day as a South Auna resident for me visitor impacts are the biggest um effect on our quality of
- 43:22life and also I think we can make a village green park we can do a um improvements there to can make it consistent with the character. I mean the gaslighting from the incumbents is out of control. I go to the beaches here in South Lena. I hike
- 43:42our trails. They're not spending the money. They're they marketed South Lagoona or allowed the marketing of South Lagoona from Visit Lagona for the past four years and it took a resident to dump trash at city hall for them to finally understand the resident the
- 43:59visitor impacts that were happening on the beaches. The fact that Alex grew up here and it took multiple years for him to finally understand that ensued saying that she walks the beaches or and picks up trash three days a week. yet they still haven't done anything is it blows
- 44:14my mind. I can't I just don't understand why they've allowed it to reach a boiling point where residents are fighting with people in the streets over parking to finally wake up and understand that this is a problem. So what would I do? I would focus on having
- 44:29more enforcement in South Laguna park rangers. There's one park ranger from Victoria Beach to Three Arch Bay. Imagine the the call times on that. There's no way that we can enforce the law at these beaches and we continue to get overrun with people from from the
- 44:45from inland. And that's okay that people come and visit our beaches, but we have to understand how to manage it and they don't. Okay. So, we're going to double down ask a question about South Luna Beaches. First of all, I wanted to take just a
- 45:04quick shout out to our local lifeguard department. This summer has been bonkers. And as a guy that spends more time than he should in the water knowing what the surf has been like this year, I think it's been great that we've
- 45:25had our local agency running South Arena Beaches because I think it might have been a different story if they weren't. But uh so this is question seven. In 1986, one year prior to the city's annexation of South Laguna, the county completed an environmental impact report
- 45:45on the effects of opening South Auna's beaches to the public. The EIR detailed serious infrastructure related deficiencies, including sanitation, parking, and pedestrian safety. After the annexation, the county retained ownership of the beaches and over the
- 46:02ensuing four decades, despite the burgeoning number of visitors and beaches to the beaches rather, little was done to address the problems. The city now controls these beaches, and we strongly believe the deficiencies of infrastructure should finally be
- 46:17addressed. Approximately 40% of the city's hotel occupancy tax is collected in South Lagona. Since this tax is intended to mitigate some of the consequences of out of town visitors impacts on the community, we believe more of these funds should be directed
- 46:33our way. Do you agree we need to do more for the South Auna beaches? If so, and what do you think the priorities should be and how should they be funded? Mark, you're up first. This is actually what's being addressed right now with our new partnership with
- 46:51Coastal Commission regarding the um the difference between our uh infrastructure and capacity and how we can better manage it. And when the Coastal Act was created in the early 70s, they just didn't really anticipate all of the pressures that we're dealing with today.
- 47:09And it we just the coastal commission has agreed to look at this in a new way and understanding our modern challenges and pressures and I do believe through this new effort that we're doing which we've called stewardship effort and the framework around that that we are going
- 47:24to be able to um have solutions to mitigate a lot of these uh pressures. I found it interesting that since um 1982, our city has had enormous development going up around us. Alisa, Viejo, Irvine, Spectrum, Laguna, Niguel,
- 47:51we weren't at the development agreement table. We weren't negotiating on our own behalf to get some of these funds to get these impacts mitigated. I think it's time for us to go back to these development agreements and when they're reopened for more development, take
- 48:10another bite at the apple. We need an a city attorney and a city manager and a community development director that when these developments are happen happening in our neighboring cities that we get noticed and that we actually negotiate for some of the funds that those cities
- 48:28are receiving. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, definitely regional um agreements and regional solutions. We need to be part of what's going on inland so that we can fund the important infrastructure that we need. Um spending should be on with an emphasis on
- 48:53anything related to public safety uh and infrastructure. And I I know we definitely need more facilities to accommodate the increase in uh attendance at our beaches. Thank you. >> Yeah, I think um you know, first of all, we should expand the restroom at
- 49:16Thousand Steps. I think we have a oneperson restroom in there. We should expand that. That would be helpful. And of course, we're going to have the restrooms and the fire station. But, you know, I don't agree with some people some of these comments up here because,
- 49:27you know, the best way to see what's happening in South Lagona is to walk and be in South Lagona and and help out. Like I I put in like, you know, ask Laguna tickets all the time on stuff I find down there. I don't say much about it, but I do it all the time. And that's
- 49:40the best way to know. I'm not going to, you know, sit around and complain and not bring solutions. We last year we did a surge, summer before last, we did a surge program. This summer we were incrementally better. And I expect we get incrementally better, you know, each
- 49:53year. This is a big problem to solve and it doesn't happen easily. It happens over time. And I like the work that Clark's been doing as well on kind of thinking about this the city from more of a strategic strategic perspective. So I think we'll continue to get
- 50:07incrementally better. And if you if you just want to complain and not do anything, then you're not going to get any better. >> Yeah. Yeah, I think we should be looking at every revenue source possible. One of the big best ways to capture revenue
- 50:22from the visitors is through parking rates. Those are set by the coastal commission and so we just recently were able to increase the parking rates. We should look at allocating um that more park rangers and more ways to mitigate the impacts in South Lagoona. Um to
- 50:36Karen Martin's point, which I totally agree with, we need to be up at the table when there's an environmental impact report as part of a development agreement for in a neighboring community. We need to try to capture that money because there is going to be
- 50:48an impact on Laguna Beach. We've seen that firsthand over the past two decades as everyone around us has developed and those people are all using our beaches. One example of that is the Laguna Hills Mall that's being developed. We were able to be a part of the negotiating
- 51:02table there and capture some of that money. Um, and I'm hoping that we're able to get that this year, if not next year. It depends on the timing and the conditions of approval, but that's a great uh opportunity to put money into South Auna, which I think is
- 51:15experiencing the most of the day trippers from these developments. Um, so I'm I'm a bit confused on the deflection on the residents to be responsible for all things South Lagona beaches. Um, and talking about conversations to be had. So, the county
- 51:36gave us what, $22 million in 2023 that was supposed to last 10 years um to be able to take care of the beaches making that purchase. It's now 3 years later and there's only 12 million left with a projection of 9 million to be left by the city's budget of June of next year.
- 51:53So, first we need to understand where has that money been spent? Um how has it been used? Has it gone to anything for facilities, infrastructure, etc. that we need that we currently need in South Lagona? not inside conversations for future, but what can we do to improve
- 52:07South Lagona right now? And I definitely agree that if um the uh divide of hotel tax needs to be equitable between South and North Lagona, if you guys are having 40% of the tax, it only makes sense that part a good amount of the tax goes to taking care of the beaches and the
- 52:22public safety infrastructure facility, the restrooms, everything that needs to be done on the facility's master plan. If you fund it, you finish it. The only thing I'll correct there on you, Ashley, is it was 22 million over 20 years. They thought that they were
- 52:41going to have that money for 20 years. That money is going into the general fund. That money will be gone by 2030. They did not have a plan when they took over the beaches. Uh at the time, Mayor Sue Kemp was the mayor that approved that. That's a huge problem and it goes
- 52:56to a larger problem of not having a plan when they try to execute on any of their, you know, lofty goals. They wanted to put a parking garage in the back lot. The residents didn't want a parking garage. That's where they were expecting to get the funding to pay for
- 53:10uh taking over the South Dakota beaches. Now, I do agree, James. It's great that we do have our uh lifeguards that I I've grown up with that we all recognize that we know that know the coes in and out protecting our beaches. But if it doesn't make financial sense, then it
- 53:25doesn't make financial sense. So what would I do if uh you know to offer solutions to solve the problem? Obviously it starts with enforcement. Obviously it starts with setting a standard when people come to our beaches. A lot we have the data of where
- 53:38these people where people are coming from. A lot of them are coming from just over the hill. Lisa Vjo, Lagun Miguel and Dana Point because of social media. This council did not understand the power of social media and they continued to allow it to promote and market the
- 53:52beaches. These are small community beaches. >> Hello. Stewardship. I'm hearing that a lot. It's a great buzzword and an idea, but that's not what's happening. This week, like Ashley said, a special interest
- 54:19group specializing in tourism pledged $100,000 to the incumbents. And these incumbents approved a 10-year multi-million dollar contract to do what? To attract more tourism. And so we we had our county taking care of these beaches at their cost. and their
- 54:40liability and then we take it over and then now we've got a problem. And so I think that goes to what my colleagues are saying. There's been no plan, no foresight. And you're right, we do have a sanitation problem at our beaches and it should be handled and we have the
- 54:57money and it should be a priority and we got to stop marketing and telling people where to find us and stop using the word stewardship because it's just a buzzword. Okay, this next question is question three. Has to do with parking. Um, also
- 55:21has to do with the rewrite of the general plan. Uh, the city has embarked on revision of its general plan and we understand that consideration is being given to reducing long-standing requirements for parking related to various commercial uses. As
- 55:37you know, the existing parking requirements have been the one have been one of the principal means by which the city limits the intensity of use and density of development. We fear that a reduced parking requirement may encourage businesses owners to try and
- 55:52intensify the use of their properties, thus leading to more cars entering the city and to even greater pressure on the city itself to provide additional parking for visitors. What means do you think the city should introduce into the general plan or into its zoning code to
- 56:06ensure that this does not happen? Laura, you're up first. >> Oh, thank you. Well, um, simply put, I would not support reducing the parking requirements um, if it's transferring the the private businesses parking uh, into neighbor
- 56:28into neighborhoods. Um, I just it just doesn't make sense to me. >> Yeah. When this came up at council, I think I made myself pretty clear that I would rather um have use a parking management plan and move people into a parking management plan, but that would
- 56:48not include reducing the standards. It would be a subsequent effort. >> Yeah, I think I see it differently. um wig sandwiches a is a perfect example. Under our grandfathered parking requirements, they have I believe three or four spaces on the site. Under the
- 57:05when they went from a wig store, which is a retail use, to a sandwich shop, which is a restaurant use, that would have required 14 parking spaces. What we want are adapted reuses of historic buildings like wigs. That's a perfect example of that. And as a result of the
- 57:21lack of our um the parking requirements that have not kept up with today, we were in a situation where it took three years for that to get approved. That was, you know, prior to my time on on the council. And so I think we should look at modernizing our parking
- 57:35requirements and and um so that we can have more adaptive reuses and great local businesses like wigs and that allows us to retain the historic charm of the community. Thank you. Um, this is my favorite type of question about the general plan. Um,
- 57:53I think what really needs to happen is we need to do a capacity study. Once we have a capacity study, we will know how much our beaches, our roads can carry. When we know what our carrying capacity is, we have the data that can we can use
- 58:12with the coastal commission and some of the other agencies. Right now, what I've seen is study after study after study. These studies are not connected to the general plan. That means they have no teeth. They're just studies. We did the greenhouse gas. We
- 58:30did a a track a parking management study in North Lagona and and the village, but the studies are just sitting there. They have not got their teeth. They will get their teeth when they're connected to the general plan. This is a really complicated issue and I
- 58:53think when you look at it like realistically if we just loosen up the parking requirements like what Alex is saying which is a noble reason for helping businesses like wigs where are people going to park? They're going to go into the neighborhoods. So without a
- 59:05a holistic plan looking at all potential sites in South Lagona. Well, what do we need to do now? Now, it sounds like we have to start negotiating with the hospital because that's one site that we could use for parking for all the staff and the different businesses in South
- 59:17Lagona because without looking at everything from a holistic perspective, if you just loosen the parking requirements or don't have the con uh comprehensive parking management plan, the staff are just going to start parking to the neighborhoods, which
- 59:28they're already doing. And I'm sure some of you residents here tonight nodding your heads already feel that pain of them going all the way up uh the roads up to like uh you know, Summit. So, we need to have a a complete plan. We'll probably have to talk to the hospital
- 59:42because that is a site where there is uh underutilized parking and we need to make sure that the staff of the businesses are not parking in the neighborhoods and they're parking in a in a dedicated lot. >> I agree with Alex um primarily. I mean,
- 59:59when you think about So, we haven't had a overdevelopment problem in this town. and I've been on the council for a while and the only thing that's gotten developed was the White House became Finny's and Taco Bell became the taco stand and PJ's BJ's Pizza became Better
- 1:00:12Bus. But I don't think we have a problem with that necessarily because we we have really small lots. There's not much consolidation at all. There's not much development. Um but the other thing on council, you have to keep all your plates spinning. Like people ask us,
- 1:00:24well, we have too many vacancies. Well, one of the reasons we have vacancies is our parking requirements are really stringent. And so it's it's we're caught in this very difficult situation where we don't have a lot of park and we don't build a lot of parking, but in order to
- 1:00:36get businesses in here and prevent vacancies, parking is one of the obstacles. So these are one of these are the hard things that we need to to solve. And you know, Mark and I have been talking about, you know, um parking management program and how exactly way
- 1:00:48to implement that. So we need to do some more thinking on it. Coastal is not very helpful with us. Um so we have to figure out a different way. So, the the latest downtown specific plan I saw with 600 residents is downtown allowed for half a parking
- 1:01:06space per residence. Now, I don't know about you, but I don't drive half a car. So, I just don't think it's very logical. And when you walk around, you see all the empty parking spaces at the at at Gellson's and the empty parking lot that the Montage has and the empty
- 1:01:23parking at the hospital. I don't think we've been very good through our government working with private um land owners on utilizing the parking that we already have and this um the incumbents took 50 parking spaces away from the prominade which is it's great to have a
- 1:01:39prominade but what was the domino effect of it and so we should not be looking at projects in isolation because there's a domino effect by every decision this government makes. Thank you. So I think what's most important when it comes to the parking decision or any
- 1:02:01decision is that we have to break the habit within city hall where decisions of changing the general plan or you know anything regarding zoning etc is based off of feeling. Um it has to be based off the data and now the word data is being used quite a bit but yet none of
- 1:02:19us have ever really seen it have we? So, um, similar to what Nick and what Karen said is that before we make any decision, we need to understand what is the parking demand, the traffic, the safety, the evacuation, the neighborhood impact. We don't want to make any
- 1:02:33decision where it causes more spillover in to our neighborhoods. They're already super congested as we all know. Um, so we just need to weigh the full community impact um before we make any decision just based off of a developer having a problem.
- 1:02:59Okay, so this is question 19. Goes back to the beaches, but probably the most problematic portion for those of us who don't own a house close to the beach or for those of us that do. The beaches of South A are ever under everinccreasing pressure from visitors.
- 1:03:14One of the worst problems for visitors and residents alike is the lack of public restrooms in key areas of South Lagona from West Street to the south of the hospital. This is a public health issue for visitors and residents who use our beaches and parks and it is an
- 1:03:28annoyance and public health issue for owners of properties near the beaches. While we understand that two public restrooms will be a part of the new fire station number four, we do not believe they will be nearly sufficient to address the problem. Would you support
- 1:03:42city action to provide additional public restrooms in South Aena? And if so, where do you think they should be located? Alex, you're up first. >> Yeah. So, as as you said, James, I think the having the the restrooms at the new fire station, that's going to be a
- 1:03:57positive impact. I think that the next logical place would be the um if we're able to acquire the lots on Catalina for a reasonable price, but as I said in my remarks before, we have to do that based on the an appraisal and the fiscal in a fiscally responsible way. I think that's
- 1:04:12also a logical place for a uh for a public restroom. Um, but definitely want to hear resident input about where the right places are going to be because we also you have to look at it from the other perspective of there's the public health problem, but there's also the
- 1:04:25fact that putting restrooms in neighborhoods can have an impact there. So, we have to look at it in a really strategic way. There's not an easy solution to it. So, it's one that um I don't have a a really clear answer about exactly where they should go, but I want
- 1:04:38to hear from residents about how we can do it in a really responsible way that um that mitigates the negative impact. Thank you. I I really like that idea, Alex. Definitely got to get the resident input. Seems logical to me that you would want to put restrooms
- 1:04:58um near access points to the beaches, the fire station, of course, great start, but um also any place that's heavily trafficked, but you have to check with the residents first. So, if we look at where the restrooms currently are at, uh, starting in the
- 1:05:22south, we've got Thousand Steps down at the beach, one fire station, two more will be or couple will be coming online at Aliso and the Montage has at two different locations. I think if uh what we've noticed here is at all those locations where there are bathrooms,
- 1:05:36that's where there's heavy visitor traffic. So, we cannot be looking at putting a a bathroom in a residential neighborhood next to Village Green if we don't really understand the impacts of what that's going to mean to the residents. So, we have the data where we
- 1:05:51can track how many people are going into certain areas. This this council is just not using the data. So, we need to be looking at the specific areas that I just mentioned and seeing what the visitor impact is and the usage of the bathrooms and then sharing that
- 1:06:05information with the residents around uh West Street and letting them know, hey, if we do put this bathroom in, this is what the visitor impact could look like and then we can see if they're interested in doing it. My inclination is that they probably won't be, but I
- 1:06:18don't want to speak on behalf of the residents because they need to be part of the process. where restrooms are. We know that's where the people go. That is accurate. So, I would think that um we have parking at the hospital now and it would
- 1:06:37make sense to have some actual public restrooms there at the at the hospital. And hopefully in the future there'll be additional parking at that location. And I think that that would be a good a good spot for it. And again, wherever the restrooms go, you can count on people
- 1:06:51being there. So I think that we have to be very careful and make sure that this is a plan. So um we need to utilize the park empty parking garage at the hospital and see if we can't have some bathrooms. But if you've ever been to thousand steps, I
- 1:07:11don't know about you, by the time you walk above those thousand steps, you don't need to go to the bathroom anymore. So, I think we need to have some bathrooms closer to the beach, and we need to upgrade the ones that are there to make sure that they're not
- 1:07:25seeping nitrogen into the aquifers, and we need to upgrade the system so that they're environmentally friendly because if we put them in the neighborhoods, it's going to be an impact. And the people that need to use the beaches are the ones that are using the bathrooms.
- 1:07:50You know, bathrooms are interesting because I consider them anchor tenants. um everybody like and I think some of the struggling businesses could actually utilize them to attract people and um and I think the city could give some incentives to those property owners so
- 1:08:08that those bathrooms become a way to attract people to their restaurants and to um their shops. So, I will again say I think it's up to the residents, but just remember they'll need to see those bathrooms. So, if those bathrooms are closer to Coast
- 1:08:27Highway, I live very close to Riddlefield in North Lagona. Those bathrooms are used not just by beachgoers because we have plenty of bathrooms in North Laguna, but they're used by construction workers. They're used by the um Door Dash drivers, the
- 1:08:43Amazon drivers. They're used by so many other people other than um the the people that are utilizing Riddlefield for the baseball games. So, bathrooms are very important. >> Um there's no need for restrooms to go into neighborhoods. Um we just need to
- 1:09:03look at the highest demand areas and um utilize existing facilities to be able to add some. We don't need to buy new. Um, I come from obviously building restaurants and hotels and um, they're the most expensive thing to build. So, there's a lot of existing facilities
- 1:09:17like Joyce said that we can upgrade um, and utilize for restrooms. >> Yeah, I think I mentioned earlier we expand the restrooms at Thousand Steps. And, you know, we could also I don't know, we we used that Catalina property for the undergrounding and I don't know
- 1:09:35how well how well that worked as a staging. I know produced a lot of dirt, but we could maybe put if we could work something out with the property owner, even if he didn't want to sell at a reasonable price, we could probably put like a mobile, you know, those really
- 1:09:45nice mobile bathrooms there, or we could, you know, we can also put those at the hospital for the summer months. So, I think we do have some options. Um, you know, there's a vacant lot on Fifth Avenue. I don't know what goes on there, but we can maybe put one there if we can
- 1:09:56work out some kind of deal there. But I think, you know, I think we get some restaurants restrooms closer to Coast Highway and away from the residents. Okay. So, how many of you guys have never been to St. Catherine's before? Anybody? And so, setting up for this is
- 1:10:19the first time that I've really spent a lot of time here. So, this is newly acquired property for the city. Um, so this question has to do with this. This is question 27. Uh the Susie Cube is extremely popular and is overflowing with community
- 1:10:35activities and the expansion of city offices. Meanwhile, the Laguna Beach Community and Recreation Center, this spot is magn is a magnificent facility and approximately four times the size of the CCQ Center, but it is underutilized. In fact, there has even been some talk
- 1:10:53about flipping the property and using the proceeds for something else, but once it's gone, it's gone. And once those funds are spent, they are gone. Could some of the recreation programs at the Suzuk be offered here? Or could additional community programs be offered
- 1:11:09there? What would you do with this facility, Nick? Well, uh, when the facility was taken over in 2022, the dascese said it needed to be a community benefit. So, we should probably follow through with that and
- 1:11:27not flip it just to, as you said, you know, plug a plug a hole. Once that money's spent, it's spent. Um, what's concerning is back uh in 2023, there was no deep analysis of what they wanted to do with it. And, you know, uh, Council Member Kemp in 2025 asked for further
- 1:11:43analysis to know how much it was going to cost for them to spend it. I rewatched the facilities master plan video from last year. Alex wants to sell it to be able to then use it for Link Park to improve the facilities there. I don't think it's a good idea to sell it.
- 1:11:56They want to maybe buy rubies and then sell it off to a developer that maybe just donated a bunch of money to them or maybe another developer in town. I don't know. I don't think the residents need another hotel. What we need is the existing hotels to be redone. We need to
- 1:12:11make sure that this is a community benefit. Whether it's art classes, extensions of uh the Suzie Q, whether it's using this for a sports facility like volleyball practice, whether it's making sure that a grass field is actually used as a grass field and not a
- 1:12:23parking lot. I mean, I don't know why this is like crazy talk, but like the fact that there was no plan when they bought this building, although it was great that they bought it, but they didn't have a plan. We have to have plans for when we spend taxpayer money.
- 1:12:46Yeah. So, one of this goes back to the parking requirements question. One of the reasons why we haven't been able to use this to the extent we have wanted to is because of the parking requirements that we have as a city. It's why we should modernize the parking
- 1:12:55requirements because when you have a use, you have to follow the rules of a city, especially when it's a city um city facility. I think that we have to look at it really from a realistic standpoint of what we want to do here. And I like the idea of having a
- 1:13:08community center here, we don't have the money to really turn this into the worldass community center that we want it to be. So if there is an opportunity to figure out a way to look at, you know, selling off potentially a portion of it or doing a long-term ground lease
- 1:13:21where we creating a re revenue generating use, I totally get that. It's it's easy to just say we should turn this into a world-class facility with no downside, but we have to look at the trade-offs involved with that because we don't have the money to make those
- 1:13:33investments. So, I'm definitely open to how we can fully utilize this facility. I agree with Nick. It is frustrating. Um, but we have to deal with the parking requirements issue and we have to deal with the funding issue to get there. >> I don't
- 1:13:51Hello. Okay. I don't think our government should be a real estate broker buying flipping buying flipping like what we did with Tamo and other pieces of property. I mean, I think that the state law says once government actually owns real estate, then the two
- 1:14:06alternatives, if you're not if you're not going to make it a public open space or park, then you have to look at the affordable housing. And so, um, or give it to the state. So probably the most likely alternative use because there is a parking problem here and it is
- 1:14:22underutilized would be to look at affordable housing in the back and can you look at the front parcels to where it could be um I would get the government should not be developing it but could they develop um affordable forale units in the front and then
- 1:14:37underwrite the affordable units in the back but I don't think we should be buying and flipping buying and flipping. Thanks. Thank you. Um well, I think uh I certainly don't support uh selling the property. I think this is a this is and
- 1:14:59um was a unique opportunity. Um, I love the idea of using it for a community center and um, think that we can perhaps establish utilization and financial targets. um request a monthly or maybe a quarterly report on how we're doing with those targets and um follow through and
- 1:15:23maybe use this as in a way that it was intended um for recreation and as a community asset. Thank you. Um I think this is one of the most beautiful properties in Laguna Beach. Um I my mom worked a lot every and so I spent my life at um a community
- 1:15:47center on a basketball court. So this is very um fun to me. I would love for it to stay a community center because it is so special. Um but it has to make financial sense and most importantly the city is going to make a purchase then it has to be on what it's going to benefit
- 1:16:03the community. no matter what the decision needs to be on the residents, whatever needs to happen. Um I I would like it to be a community center. I do see that could be maybe split off um into maybe some different uses like affordable housing, which we can get
- 1:16:15into later in one of these questions. Um but I don't think saying the general plan is an excuse because we can't pick and choose when we want to use the general plan for our own narrative. >> Yeah. this community and as many beach
- 1:16:32communities u real estate you know sometimes a plan things don't fit perfectly into a plan and you have to measure the opportunities that come available I wasn't on council when Tammo came up or this property or the south beaches as a matter of fact but I do
- 1:16:49think that the councils prior to me had good intentions and I respect that and it's my job in my current position to manage those decisions that they made to the best of our ability. I do think that there are a lot of opportunities with this particular project or this property
- 1:17:05here. Uh I would keep an open mind if there were other um opportunities that came along. And uh I don't think, you know, I agree we're not in the business of flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop. But that's not what happened. uh a property was acquired, a better situation came up
- 1:17:22and the city council acted responsibly and uh took advantage of the better option. >> Yeah. I think how many of you guys went on a tour when we were thinking about buying this? We had these tours, remember? Yeah. So, we let we open it up
- 1:17:38and we had a number of tours so people could see what we were interested in buying and you know, we bought it for $23 million. It was probably worth $50 million. They could have sold it to a developer and we could have had I don't know what here, but we made a good
- 1:17:49decision and I'm I'm pretty I'm happy with the decision. Is it a perfect recreation center? Holy no. But look at the room that we're in now. This gym is fantastic and there's other really great things about this facility. So, you know, it requires, you know, it's a
- 1:18:03financial decision. It's also a community decision. It's something that we need to weigh carefully what our option would be and what we want to see how this how we want this to turn out. Alex is 100% right is what holds back the uses is our parking plan. You know,
- 1:18:15all ad bad things come down to parking when you think about it. Just pretty much every problem every problem in Laguna Beach comes down to parking. So, this is no exception. But I think I do think this is a great this is a great property and you know, we'll see what to
- 1:18:28do going forward, but I think we'll do something smart. Um, on March 11th, 2025, council directed an artist workspace permitting effort for $180,000 towards additional parking and options for a community fitness center as part
- 1:18:46of the CRC interim use update. The minutes established the direction, not completion. Then again, in July of 2026, the city bulletin also advertised temporary pump track. I think what we need to do is a room by
- 1:19:03room schedule, utilization, waiting list and accessibility and operating cost report. We need to test complimentary senior arts youth and meeting uses with trans transportation support. Compare public community partnership models and don't call the underutilized
- 1:19:24room surplus merely because no one has organized a workable program for it. Okay, question 21. So, as part of SLCA, South Civic Association, one of our pet projects has been the community garden. Um, hopefully
- 1:19:49everyone here has been there, enjoyed the space, maybe grow things there. Um, so this question has to do with that. The South Auna Civic Association has long maintained that the community garden park is is an asset not just to South Auna but to the entire city. We
- 1:20:05are committed to making the garden a permanent part of our community. To that end, we have been raising funds and giving pledges of support for 17 years. Do you support having the city fund the acquisition of the garden on its current site if it becomes available or even
- 1:20:18potentially a different location? If so, what steps would you take to make the acquisition happen? Nick, you're up first. This goes back uh I think it would be great for the community to be able to uh to take over the property. I think what
- 1:20:37this goes back to a larger problem of when we don't have money in the budget because of reckless spending happening in other parts of town when we really have a community good that we want to keep for South Auna residents and we don't have the money then we run into
- 1:20:50those issues. So we would need to be either seeking outside funding whether it's from state or federal dollars or whether it's looking into the community where we have a lot of people who are really interested in preserving property around town like with the community land
- 1:21:04trust but we can be looking at other properties like with the community garden. So we need to be making sure that these community assets that help represent parts of our community in parts of our town like South Lagoona. I don't think of South Laguna without the
- 1:21:18community garden. And so we need to make sure we protect these assets and don't let um these things slip from our hands because we decided to spend money uh frivolously and then didn't have the money when we really needed it. I think Ann and um Fred Lang did a
- 1:21:37beautiful job with the South Lagona Village general plan and that they allow for small lots, small cottages, setbacks all around and with that should come a garden and a park and that would require a p private public partnership and I think it would be a beautiful addition
- 1:21:56to our South Lagoona uh village. Um I definitely support keeping the community garden. I would want to first work with you guys and um learn I think I can't remember you said like 14 or 17 years it's been being worked on. So, I'd want to know where the efforts have
- 1:22:17gone, um, where conversations have gone to, you know, not repeat those efforts if they didn't work out, but then try and see, um, you know, through through my experience being able to bring in um, nonprofit funding, bring in government funding, um, what we can do to be either
- 1:22:33to acquire the land or do a long-term lease because it is super important to South Lagoon and I would like to keep it. I'm a big supporter of the community garden. I think what's really cool about it is that it brings different
- 1:22:49generations of South Laguna residents together in our society today. We we need more of that. The problem that we have is we need to find this guy in Saudi Arabia. So if if anyone may challenge ago where he
- 1:23:07>> Yeah. But we talked about this the other day and we had that meeting and we we can't get he won't be willing to make an offer. That's my understanding. >> It's not that we have >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. >> He doesn't want to sell.
- 1:23:19>> He doesn't want to sell. So, I agree with um I think that we if I think we need to find a way to make it a reality because I think it is an important part. We had a the mayor and I had a good meeting with an and several of the residents um a multi-generational group
- 1:23:33about some strategies that we can employ to to get him to the table. Um but yeah, I think the problem is we need a willing seller and um if not, I think that the Catalina lots is a really good opportunity, but I I think that's a perfect spot for a garden where it is
- 1:23:51now. Yeah, I think we we were close to having what we thought was a deal a few years ago, right? And it turned out to be a scam and fortunately we caught it before we transferred any money and that's just the world we're living in. It's sick.
- 1:24:06It's just sick behavior. Um, but I don't know. I I don't I haven't heard anything about it lately. I know we did find the owner. I mean, I don't know if he's still there but where he is now, but we did find the owner and you know, I thought we had something. I don't know
- 1:24:19what it's for sale, if it's still for sale, what the price is. I don't I haven't heard anything about it. Um, we put money aside and we advanced that money as a council for the purchase, but that that whole thing kind of fell through. So, I'm not adverse to buying
- 1:24:32the buying it, but I'd like to see, you know, if we can find the guy again and how much is it and do some more homework on it. >> Thank you. Yes, I I really like the uh community garden park and um I I would support the city assisting in the
- 1:24:51funding effort um where they can um ideally facilitating the transaction maybe public pri setting up public private partnerships um but it's a wonderful asset to South Lona and I'd like to see us keep it.
- 1:25:17So, I'd take a little bit of an unconventional approach. I would state that the city would start to change the general plan land use designation to open space garden and change it in the zoning code. And um I'm sure the the property owner would
- 1:25:33show up and at that point we'd start we'd be able to get him to start negotiating. And if he works other cities do it other cities do it. Um
- 1:25:50so, um I'm sure you know it's it would be difficult for for this person to continue. Um I I am for private property rights. I do not think anybody should be um taken advantage of just because they're not here. But I do think we need to take a different approach. We've been
- 1:26:08working on it since 2009. Let's do something unconventional. And I know Karen knows this, but that would probably open us up to some pretty serious legal challenges. But there are other things that we can do. >> Only only if you did it. But if you
- 1:26:29>> Only only if you did it. But if you maybe >> used it. Yeah. But the we could I would be open to um considering eminent domain or other avenues. There's no doubt about it. I've had show um interest in this and I've had several conversations with Ann and some of the other folks and I've
- 1:26:44been a supporter of the community garden. That's no secret. Um so I do fully support it. Any time we can provide space that brings people together, I very supportive of that. All right, we're recording this you guys.
- 1:27:10Um, sorry. I'm not supposed My wife said I can't have any extemporaneous speaking up here, so I have to I have to maintain composure here. Um, so the next question is question 23. Um, we're going back to the beaches and we're going to talk about beach patrol. Sounds a little
- 1:27:24boring, but these are the guys that are actually dealing with dogs on the beaches. All the rest of the finer points of how the beach gets run. The officers of the beach patrol were originally intended to provide information and assistance to
- 1:27:40beachgoers as well as additional surveillance, supervision, and enforcement of ordinances pertaining to beaches. However, in 2021, the beach patrol officers were replaced by park rangers whose scope of responsibility has gradually widened with a consequent
- 1:27:56reduction in the amount of time they are actually patrolling on the sand, particularly on the more repo remote beaches of South Lagona. This has significant consequences for behavior on South Laguna's crowded beaches. Would you support restoring the beach patrol
- 1:28:12program and perhaps increasing the time the park rangers actually spend on the sand patrolling south of remote beaches and coes? Ashley, you're up first. >> Um yes, I am. Um for restoring beach patrol, I think first what needs to be
- 1:28:31done is looking at um the entire staffing for the departments. Um all departments really, but we'll just talk about park rangers right now. and um and patrol and see where they're being utilized um how they can be better utilized and how we can allocate the
- 1:28:47spending to have it where our beaches are being more patrolled and taken care of. Um you know, as Nick said earlier, there's only one that goes for a predominant amount of the beaches in South Lagona. That doesn't make sense, right? So, we need to be able to look at
- 1:28:59all of that and then um allocate it appropriately. I feel sorry for some of our staff members because there is a big difference between being a a beach patrol like a police person versus a park ranger. And I think it's also
- 1:29:18confusing to beachgoers because you come across a a beach a park ranger and you think they're more there forformational. So I think we need to really have um specific roles and without enforcement there's no point in having rules. So yeah, I think we need to think about the
- 1:29:37whole concept of um park rangers or beach rangers versus actual enforcement people because it's really not fair to the staff to make them wear two different hats all the time. So I'd like to see a better plan now that we have to control it and enforce it. that we need
- 1:29:57to step up and do just that. >> Yeah. I I don't know if everybody knows this, but we have private security at some of these beaches now. We have it at Thousand Steps. I think Moss and Woods has private security. And the reason we don't have beach patrols, and the police
- 1:30:12department will tell you this is those poor guys, they just got not literally got beat up, but they just got hassled and talked badly to and treated badly and they didn't have any enforcement. They couldn't do anything. They couldn't write a ticket, you know, they couldn't
- 1:30:24arrest anybody. So, you know, I'll take I'll take a beach patrol any day over just having uh or a park ranger any day over beach patrol because they're just so much more effective. And I spent the last two summers walking the beaches with the beach patrol and I see what
- 1:30:38they do and that's a rough job just for the just for the park rangers. The park rangers are wearing 30 pounds of gear. They're walking in the sand all day. They're writing a lot of tickets and they're doing a really really good job on enforcement. If you look at our
- 1:30:50enforcement numbers, we're way up this summer and so that's a that's a tribute. But the police department does not support uh um beach patrol. They'd much rather have uh you know park rangers and private security. They're more effective.
- 1:31:10>> Yeah, we do need to have um well like uh council member Kevin said the beach patrol obviously was good to have at the time but it they weren't effective and able to write tickets. So, we do need to have more private security, not just at Thousand Steps during the summertime,
- 1:31:21not just at Moss and Woods Cove. We need them at Aliso. We need them patrolling the other beaches. Growing up at Victoria Beach, we would always be worried about beach patrol catching us drinking near the volleyball courts. And so, over the last two summers, you
- 1:31:36rarely see them coming down to Victoria Beach. And that's a problem because once, you know, we don't want residents being, you know, feeling like they're having a look over their shoulder, but there needs to be a happy medium. And the tourists who come and enjoy our
- 1:31:48beaches need to understand that they can't get away with anything uh in South Lagona. So, we need to increase the enforcement during the day, during the summertimes. Uh they need to be able to be coordinating to uh better with the beach patrol. I don't think there's any
- 1:32:02real coordination right now. were not seeing when I did a ride along with beach patrol there was some talking with them you know there was some chitchat but they didn't really understand what was going on there was no data points being collected collected no KPI so we
- 1:32:14don't have any way to know what's successful what's not successful and where we can make improvements for the next summer >> thank you I'd get back to my capacity study um as long as we have a real true understanding of um what are the peak
- 1:32:37demands on for South Laguna? When are people going to these beaches and as part of that capacity study, we also need to understand the tides, how much beach is there, um how many people can fit. Um so I would say adopt a peak demand south Laguna patrol schedule and
- 1:32:57report it publicly. keep lifeguarding distinct from the ordinance of enforcement and compare uh redeployment and dedicated patrol clause before adding an overlapping unit on sand coverage is something that I grew up with in the North Laguna beaches and
- 1:33:18they wore shorts and little polo shirts and that's how they enforced and it worked. I realize it's a different day. >> Yeah. So, so beach patrol were not sworn officers and I don't think it's appropriate to have what we have with
- 1:33:37park rangers now is they're sworn officers and that's very important because when you're not a sworn officer, you're not allowed to make arrests. You can make a citizen's arrest, but that carries liability concerns. And so, I think having sworn park rangers is
- 1:33:48definitely the way to go. Now, the question is, can we reallocate the resources in in a way to make sure that they're focusing on the beaches? I think that's something that we definitely need to continue looking at. I think we need to look at, as I said before, we've
- 1:34:00doubled the number of park rangers over the last four years. We need to continue increasing the number of park rangers and ensure that they're really focusing on residents quality of life. I do like we have the security officers as well. I've seen them this summer at the beach
- 1:34:12where they sit at the steps um for different beaches. I think that that is an important role where it helps people understand they need to be on their best behavior when they're at the beaches in South Lagona. So, we need to continue investing in it, but I'm not supportive
- 1:34:24of having nonsworn officers on our beaches because I think that just creates a dangerous situation for everyone. >> Yes, I think the uh past councils made good decisions when they transferred from beach patrols to rangers. over the
- 1:34:39years as Alex uh had mentioned that we have increased the number of rangers and we've also added security. So I think that you know there's also as Karen said capacity right seasonal obviously we have more a lot more people in the summer months and that's not easily
- 1:34:55changed with staffing because you know the Rangers are full-time positions but I think that there are solutions. So, I you know, it's a a work in progress still, but I think that we're getting there, and some of our statistics, uh, show that.
- 1:35:14>> Thank you. Um, sure. I I definitely support increasing the city's physical presence um on South Laguna beaches, particularly in the uh more remote uh beaches and coes. Um, I also support having sworn officers on the beaches when possible. Um,
- 1:35:33and perhaps there looking at the program from a strategic standpoint. There would be a way to deploy people at entrance places and um, uh, scheduling might help with increasing the time of coverage um, on beaches.
- 1:35:59Okay, looking at the time, this is going to be the last question. And if I didn't get it asked, come on. You guys don't want to be here for 4 hours. Um, my kids have been pushing me to ask this question because they feel it's important. And it's
- 1:36:13interesting that this one resonates with them. This is question 28. This has to do with Gals. Since its closure several years ago, the former Gelson's market, the site of which includes parking for approximately 180 cars, has remained empty. We
- 1:36:30understand the lease is being retained by Gelson's in order to eliminate the possibility of competition from another market. They've hijacked the site. There is no incentive for Gellson's to change their position as the rest of the complex, which is suffering from not
- 1:36:45having an anchor market in that location, is under different ownership. This building had been South A's main grocery store for over 60 years. And how far back did it go? Do you know? >> Late 50s.
- 1:37:01>> Late 50s. When I was a kid, it was Alpha Beta in the 70s. >> Um, and we would like to have another market to replace it. It's where we go shop. It's where we want to shop. I don't want to go across town to another town to buy my groceries. Do you see an
- 1:37:17opportunity for the city to intervene in some way to ensure that the space does not continue to remain vacant and preferably to get another market into it? Sue, >> this is a big source of frustration for all of us. And so, you know, I I heard
- 1:37:33the other a couple weeks ago that Gellson's had laid off some people. So, I went down to Monarch and I noticed that the store manager was in the checkout lane. So, I got in his lane and I said, "Hey, I see you're checking. It looks kind of thin around here. You guys
- 1:37:48you guys had some um staff displacements." And he said, "Yeah." So, now I'm kind of wonder This makes me kind of wonder because we had a lot of lot of a lot of um uh go a lot of go at them that both the um the property management company and Gals's
- 1:38:02themselves. We've talked to them a lot. Dave's talked to them a lot and we can't get them off the dime. And I'm wondering now if maybe the the solution will work in our favor because they're they're carrying that for I don't know a million and a quarter every year with nothing no
- 1:38:15revenue coming in. And if they're having trouble with their stores elsewhere, maybe they'll have to relinquish that spot. So we'll have to see what happens. They're they're just very difficult or super annoying. Um
- 1:38:29so yes, there's things the city can do. I've dealt with, you know, dozens and dozens and dozens of commercial leases in my career. Um, and Gellson's um, currently just subleasased their spot in Carl'sbad to Ralph's. So, there is opportunity. They are looking to do
- 1:38:48that. There is, um, anti-competitive things our city attorney, multiple city attorneys can look into. Um, because most importantly is that $22 million a year of grocery spending is going to other cities. over $200 million a year is in leakage is going to other cities
- 1:39:05which means we're losing those sales tax and out of that is groceries, retail, gas, etc. So, it's really important that we fill our empty vacancies and especially Gelson. So, um it is a number one priority for me is to help fill all of our empty um empty storefronts and
- 1:39:21including that to make me a grocery store again because I would like to have a grocery store. Uh, I love Gilson's actually. I I do shop at Gelson's both in Newport and in Dana Point. And I shopped previously at the one um at the shopping center we're
- 1:39:43talking about. Um, I really think there's an opportunity to work with Gelson's. It depends on how it's presented to them. Um, if we're just going in and asking, hey, can you lease this to somebody else or why didn't you lease it for somebody else?
- 1:40:03We actually need to prepare a plan and give them some some strategies that they can use knowing full well that the city is going to uphold their end of the deal. Um, and I don't know that that we've actually done that. So, um, I think we need to pull some different
- 1:40:24tools out of our toolbox. >> The key here, as you said, there's no incentive for Gson's to change their position. Well, let me tell you, if a Tony Eisman can go and chain herself to a bulldozer to stop the Irvine company from building out our canyon, I think
- 1:40:46the will of the people of this town can gather together and uh let Gelson's know that we need a operating grocery store in that town. I believe in this town. I believe we have the wisdom and the strength and if Tony can go do that, we can all rally around and start telling
- 1:41:05Gellson senior management, get back into business or get someone else in business. >> Yes. Uh well, Joy is actually right there and I've had several uh conversations with members of the South Auna Civic Association and others down
- 1:41:24in South Auna and my recommendation was to you know we couldn't rely on city hall to do this on its own. City Hall has explored some of our options both legally and otherwise is otherwise meaning we've tried to contact ownership of both the Gellson's and the property
- 1:41:41owner. But I think the the most effective as she said with Tony tied herself to the tractor out there that was the community effort and I think that the if the community mobilized and put pressure whether that be demonstrating out in front of a store
- 1:41:56getting the media attention I think that we could in fact affect some change there. I think the big issue here is why this hasn't been on the radar of the city council for so long. This is when it changes from self-s serving to resident
- 1:42:16serving. When you're resident serving, you're constantly thinking about these issues and a simple and to be fair to them, it's only been about a week, but there's a new law that just went into effect signed by Gavin Newsome, the grocery store access act 1857. So that's
- 1:42:30potentially something that's moving in the right direction for us. So we could have our city attorney continue to look at that. And if the city attorney has been looking at ways to contact the property owner and the business, they need to be updating the residents on
- 1:42:41this. This needs to be something available on the website so people aren't sitting there going, "What's going on with Gellson's?" And whether that means for so hopefully this uh AB bill will help get us in the right direction. You know, it's frustrating
- 1:42:54too because my first job was at Albertson's when I was I think it was like 14 or 15 years old. And so making sure that that's a grocery store is of more or utmost importance and if it's not going to be Gson's then maybe needs to be a Sprouts or another partner
- 1:43:08similar to the issue with the hospital. Again goes back to the same issue. Why is this not something on the radar of the city council? Why are they not constantly updating the residents? And I I do agree with the mayor. It should have been done a long time ago. Let's
- 1:43:20make this a PR problem for them if they're not going to step up. Thank you. Um reopening is definitely a priority and uh perhaps the the PR route is um going to be the best course. Um because government just I don't know how you would guarantee that that this that
- 1:43:45there would be a grocery store in that location. Uh but we certainly could bring the parties together uh move remove any unnecessary obstacles and um actively look for um opportunities to bring back the use that uh we most need which is a
- 1:44:04grocery store. >> Yeah. I mean it the lack of grocery store in that location affects everyone in particular. So it affects everyone in this room in South Auna, but it really breaks my heart because the biggest senior housing um property in towns is
- 1:44:2271 units at Viso. They rely on walking to that grocery store cuz many of them don't have cars. So I think they're definitely I agree with everyone else's sentiment that it is a huge problem that we don't have a grocery store there. In economics class, we we talk about what a
- 1:44:37monopoly is. And that's kind of the behavior that that Gellons is demonstrating here, where they're essentially making the argument that their bottom line is better off by keeping by paying the rent um for a lease that they have, I believe, for at
- 1:44:48least another 10 years. I might be wrong on that, but for way too much time. Um and having that that business go to the Dana Point location. We've looked at the options with our city attorney and under maybe Nick, the legislation that was signed a week ago provides an
- 1:45:04opportunity. Um, but we definitely should be looking at all options. I like Joyy's idea about Tony uh volunteering herself to to do that. But it's definitely it's something that breaks all of our hearts. So, >> okay, Tony, you've been volunteered.
- 1:45:22Let's make it happen. Okay. Um Ed was not able to attend our forum tonight. So I asked him to uh send me a closing statement which everybody's going to have an opportunity to give a co closing statement. I'm going to read his closing statement now just so that we give him a
- 1:45:40fair opportunity. Thank you to the South Luna Civic Association for the opportunity to submit this closing statement to your board. I have lived in Laguna Beach since 1994. My background includes business leadership, public service, and
- 1:45:55developing emergency communication systems. Those experience those experiences have taught me to listen carefully, ask difficult questions, and follow through. My priorities are transparency, fiscal responsibility, infrastructure, and
- 1:46:10public safety. For South Auna, that means pursuing restoration of water district voting rights, improving staff responsiveness, and providing a public schedule for overdue neighborhood improvements. It means safer sidewalks and crossings,
- 1:46:25better beach sanitation and patrol coverage, reliable wastewater infrastructure, and practical evacuation planning. It also means preserving emergency medical care and evaluating every hospital proposal, including the use of imminent domain against the
- 1:46:41services residents need. We must protect our open space, community garden, and neighborhood parks while pursuing affordable housing in suitable locations. We should make better use of public buildings, help restore neighborhood grocery access, and ensure
- 1:46:57visitor activity contributes fairly to the services it requires. These communi commitments need more than campaign promises. Each should have a realistic cost, an identified funding source, someone respon someone responsible for delivery and public
- 1:47:15progress reports. I will listen to residents, explain the choices honestly, and insist that decisions reflect both immediate needs and long-term consequences. South South Auna deserves consistent attention and meaningful participation
- 1:47:30in decision decisions affecting its future. I would bring experience, independence, and determination to turn those priorities into practical action. Thank you, Ed. Nick, as someone who grew up in South Laguna, this uh candidate forum tonight means a
- 1:47:54lot to me. And so, um, you know, tonight we've discussed a lot of the issues and there's one word that connects many of them and it's neglect. And South Luna residents have been raising these concerns and asking for rep representation for years. And it's just
- 1:48:10really disappointing to see that these difficult problems continue to happen. But there's an important difference between a difficult problem and a problem that's just allowed to drift. And it feels like South Lagoon has just kind of been left uh to drift away.
- 1:48:24And too often this council operates reactively and allows these issues to build up until residents get really upset and they finally make that long journey down to city hall on a Tuesday night to voice their concerns. And then what ends up happening is um
- 1:48:40you know uh I the problem is is the way that local government should be working is they should be listening early to the residents. They should be identifying these problems and developing a plan. And South Laguna
- 1:48:56shouldn't have to repeatedly fight to get the basic infrastructure that they need and quality of life concerns on the city's priority list. It shouldn't take Visit Lagona from heavily promoting the beaches where the beaches get overflowed and then they have to reactively manage
- 1:49:09it by playing whack-a-ole. The proactive management is what I would uh it's not proactive management and that's what I would bring to city council. South Aendina deserves a plan. Not just a short-term plan, but it deserves a long-term plan. And when the
- 1:49:23city does makes major commitments, we need to take responsibility for the beaches when we're purchasing property, managing the impacts. We need to understand the long-term obligations and the long-term consequences of these decisions. So, if elected, I would
- 1:49:36listen early. I would ask the hard questions, and I would plan beyond the next budget cycle and measure the results. We need to make sure we're not taking money from capital improvement projects and using that money to pl plug the holes of the general fund. We need
- 1:49:48to be actually using that money where it was intended and that's improving our community. You know, this council there will always be promises and what they intend to do. What matters is following through. So, if we continue to vote for the same
- 1:50:01council, we're going to get more of the same. Thank you. Not on the timer or not at all. >> Do it. Do it at a minute 30. That'll be >> Do it. Do it at a minute 30. That'll be fair. >> Not at all.
- 1:50:23>> So, I chose to make South Lagoona my home 30 years ago, and I can't imagine living anywhere else. Um, the longer I live here, the more I love this town because of the people. That's why I'm running. I'm worried about the direction the current council is taking us. I
- 1:50:38believe they've gotten off track financially, greenlighting showy projects and multi-year marketing contracts while neglecting investments that will improve residents quality of life over the long term. I know they've lost their way when it comes to
- 1:50:54protecting our hillsides and canyons. You know it when city leaders decide to challenge the law of physics so they can approve projects on hillsides that are prohibited from development under our general plan. Council members should be protectors protectors of our tax
- 1:51:14dollars, our natural and historic resources, our safety and our quality of life. Lastly, we need a member on the council who will have the courage to question staff findings and processes and vote according to what their constituents
- 1:51:32want rather than what their colleagues want. I pledge to be your voice on the council. I would be honored. I would be very deeply honored to earn your vote. Thank you very much. Um, thank you everyone for your time today and I am um free anytime to have
- 1:51:56coffee, help on a phone call um and talk more about um my priorities and plans um for South Lagoona. I would like to utilize this time um to speak for residents that have reached out to me, the dozens and dozens the last 24 hours about the um corruption of buying our
- 1:52:16local election. So, I'm going to give the time caveat real quick. Um I spent uh almost two decades um in corporate America um especially in hospitality and $100,000 never was given without strings attached. So, I'm going to ask and give my time to each incumbent to answer to
- 1:52:35the residents if you denounce any corruption of buying our local government or um and come to a press conference tomorrow with everybody else to all denounce that or can you explain what was sold in order for that $100,000?
- 1:52:50Thank you. >> Thank you. Um, you know, I run my own campaign and you know, this town is full of great people and when I run my campaign, I get all my donations from residents and when I look at other 460s up here, I see a lot of money from
- 1:53:10outside Lagouna Beach from people that who knows who they are, but I know all my donors and I'm also, you know, honored to have the endorsement of the PD and the FD and the fire department and I'm sure they endorse me because they know me and I've worked with them
- 1:53:24and I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't like packs. I've never liked packs. The first time I ran a pack endorsed me without my permission. And you can't do anything. You can't talk to the pack. It's against the law. And you know, just because a pack decides
- 1:53:37unilaterally to endorse you doesn't have anything to do with corruption or connections to the hotels or anything like that. They just decide on their own and that's what they do. It's an unfortunate part of our politics now. And you can thank the Supreme Court and
- 1:53:51Citizens United for this. This should have been taken care of a long time ago and it's it's gotten to be so bad that's a problem. Um, I want to thank you all for coming out tonight. I appreciate your time and you see me around South Lagoon, you can, you know, be sure and
- 1:54:06stop stop me and talk. I'm always happy to talk to you guys. >> Hi, I've been a Luca resident for 40 >> Hi, I've been a Luca resident for 40 years. I may not be the best political speaker. I may not be the best at putting out signs everywhere, but I'll tell you one
- 1:54:29thing. I know government. And government is not a business. And I have a toolbox that I can use to question staff, to question the city manager, to question the city attorney and implement what the residents want. Versus for the last 30 years, we've kind of been drug drugg
- 1:54:51around and we were not at the bargaining tables with all the development that came around us. I think we need to hold whomever gets elected feet to the fire to get a capacity study completed and then we need to use that capacity study to go
- 1:55:07after the money that is outside of our town because we have become a Disneyland on the beach and we need to protect it because it's not a Disneyland. It's not a private entity. It's it's a natural resource. It's something that we all love. It's why why we're here and we
- 1:55:30need to protect its peace, its quiet, its serenity, and its essence. Please vote for me. I have a toolbox. If I don't win, I'm still there for you, and I can help you make that toolbox works for you. Thank you. >> Yes, of course. I know we we all know
- 1:55:53what a great place this is and and how uh much we all enjoy it and appreciate it. You know, many years before I even ran for council, I committed myself to many community causes and civic activities. And uh then I when I did run for city council, one of my promises was
- 1:56:11uh to bring back civility to the council. And I I am proud that all of my promises that I made um I kept every single one of them. One of them had to do with bringing on a new city manager. The other one was the creation of a legal department. Both of those were
- 1:56:26not, you know, easy endeavors and it took some time. I do think that I'm good at bringing people together and moving the ball down the field. Uh when it comes to even, you know, a lot of our issues that aren't brought up tonight, but there's a lot of small neighborhood
- 1:56:40issues that have to be dealt with. You know, we will always have issues to deal with. And I know this is a political season, so it's about poking and pointing fe fingers at one another. I'm not going to do any of that. I can just speak for myself and that I'm very proud
- 1:56:54of what I've done. Have I um worked on tourism? I have. Does that mean I'm pro tourism? I'm not. Over tourism benefits nobody. And uh I is it a part of the stewardship uh ideology and effort to uh deal with some of our complex problems? Of course it is. It's a big problem that
- 1:57:14we have to manage, but we have to be able to talk about it and in order to manage it. You know, when Karen makes some good points when she talks about, you know, dealing with some of these outside developments, has Laguna Beach been could could they have done better
- 1:57:29in the past to to go out and work with some of those developers? They could. You know, I've been meeting with the um Daryl from the uh Orange County Transportation Authority, and he tells us, "Oh, time's up. Sorry.
- 1:57:44>> Thanks. >> Thank you. Um, as I said at my very first forum, I'm running for the city council not because I've grown tired of being your treasurer, which is truly an honor and a privilege, but I'm doing it instead because I was not being allowed
- 1:58:06access to the accounting information or to be involved in the meetings that I needed to do a job that you uh elected me for and that I expect of myself. The latest bond cash issue was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. It's now October 6th and um we're working
- 1:58:31through the issues. Uh the very first meeting I got to have with the attorneys was actually last Thursday. Um they had promised that we would have this resolved on September 17th. Last Thursday, it was after I left work. I had to take a half an hour off my other
- 1:58:49job to participate in a meeting with attorneys. I received a a quote from a resident that's really good. It's it says, "I am only one person. I cannot do everything, but I can do something." And just because I cannot do everything, it
- 1:59:06should not uh I should not refuse to do the something that I can do. And what I can do is bring some financial literacy to the council at a time when reserves are declining and expenses are outpacing revenues for the foreseeable future. I would bring transparency to the city's
- 1:59:26financial accounting and reporting. Uh, thank you to the South Laguna Civic Association for the really thoughtful questions and all the candidates up here for running. I feel really honored to have spent the last four years on city council. As I said earlier, I was born
- 1:59:48and raised in South Lagoon. Three generations of my family live here and um for me the number one priority has been retaining access to emergency services. The the really the stakes are human life. It doesn't get more important than that. I feel that we are
- 2:00:01in a place working with the attorney general's office, working with congressman men, supervisor Foley, Assemblywoman Cotti PJ Norris on how we can ensure we retain access to emergency care because literally lives are at risk. There's nothing more important for
- 2:00:12than that. And so in my next term, I want to ensure that we can h continue to have um emergency operate access to emergency services. Public safety is my top priority. When I was mayor last year during the Rancho fire, I saw government at its best. Every department was
- 2:00:26working hand in hand. That was not just a fluke, but it was a result of $30 million in wildfire mitigation. We can we cannot be complacent when it comes to wildfire risk. We also cannot be complacent when it comes to public safety and visitor impacts. That's why
- 2:00:40we doubled the number of park rangers. Infrastructure. We're 100-year-old city. That's great culturally, but from an infrastructure standpoint, it's a problem. That's why we were able to work on the historic deal with Newport Beach to build a groundwater well providing
- 2:00:53twothirds of the city's water supply. We need to figure out how to get those water rights to South Lagoon. And finally, efficiency. We We can't invest in infrastructure or public safety without a sustainable city budget. That's why Council Member Kemp and I
- 2:01:06worked on finding 1.5 million in cost savings and continuing to do more. Lagouna Beach is a special place. I think the next four years will shape our next century. I'd be honored to earn your vote. Thank you for the time. >> Well, that's our program for tonight. I
- 2:01:24want to thank everyone for coming out. This is And I want to thank everyone for running. I I think it's pretty impressive we have nine people running for council. That doesn't happen very often. Most of these
- 2:01:42forums that I've done, four people, five people running for council. So, I I um I don't necessarily envy you, but I'm I'm glad you guys are all engaged and u willing to uh take the take the run at this. I want to give some special thanks to Tierney who works here. She helped
- 2:01:59set up everything and the city has been great. Um I want to thank Scott Sebastian and John Thomas for helping me with the questions that were put together. Um, special thanks to Ann Henry. She did
- 2:02:18majority of putting all this together. I want to
Follow-up reporting
Context behind the answers
Reporting by Diane Armitage · Best of Laguna Beach, published October 8, 2026.
These notes summarize her follow-up reporting. So Laguna has not independently checked its underlying non-finance records. Candidate answers and the caption transcript above remain separate.
Property-tax estimates
Armitage reports that SLCA’s 27% property-tax estimate uses 2017 county data. It has not been reconstructed using current figures.
Watch this forum question · 35:22 →Beach funding
Her review identifies a proposed 2026–27 fund balance of $11,980,707 after the original $22 million payment. A complete expenditure reconciliation remains unresolved.
Watch this forum question · 45:35 →Water-district voting rights
Her review of LAFCO reports distinguishes boundary-planning steps from completed annexation for voting rights.
Watch this forum question · 28:52 →Parking proposals and history
Her reporting says downtown residential parking reductions remain proposed, explains Wigz’s adaptive-reuse approval history, and corrects the Promenade parking loss to 48 spaces.
Watch this forum question · 55:15 →The $100,000 exchange
She distinguishes the committee contribution from candidate donations and discusses Cintas’s allegations and the incumbents’ responses. The reviewed filings do not establish coordination or an exchange.
Watch this forum question · 2:10 →Read Diane Armitage’s full reporting →So Laguna campaign-finance guide →Official $100,000 contribution report →
Location and directions
Laguna Beach Community Recreation Center (former St. Catherine’s School)
30516 South Coast Highway, Laguna Beach, CA 92651Open the location in Google Maps for current directions and place information.
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Candidates in this forum race
Open a profile for sourced background, priorities, campaign links and public records. Eight candidates answered the questions. Edward Bayuk was absent; the moderator read his submitted closing statement.
City Council candidates
Forum record
Completed October 6 at the Community Recreation Center. Watch the recording, compare 12 questions and eight candidates’ answers, and search the archived captions. Edward Bayuk was absent; the moderator read his submitted closing statement.
The City listed this independently hosted forum after the organizer affirmed that candidates were offered equal time and opportunity to appear. The listing was not City sponsorship or endorsement.
Organizer and voter guide
About South Laguna Civic Association
South Laguna Civic Association hosted the October 6 City Council candidate forum at the Community Recreation Center. The organizer listed doors at 5:30 p.m. and a 6 p.m. start. The recording and 12-question answer index are now available; eight candidates participated, and the moderator read Edward Bayuk’s submitted closing statement.
Why review it?
The October 6 forum gave South Laguna residents and other voters an opportunity to compare City Council candidates before the November election.
What subjects were covered?
- Hospital and emergency care; hospital land use
- Catalina lots, the Community Garden and Recreation Center
- Water-district voting rights, neighborhood spending and parking rules
- Beach funding, restrooms, patrol and the former Gelson’s site
How were questions gathered?
James Henry says a group prepared the questions and sent candidates a longer list in advance. The forum used a randomized speaking order and one-minute answers. Twelve questions were asked, followed by closing statements.
Contact the organizer →Funding and endorsements
No fundraising total or candidate endorsement list has been verified from the linked organizer source. So Laguna does not infer endorsements from forum sponsorship.
Quick answers
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Can I watch the South Laguna Civic Association forum?
Yes. The October 6 recording, published by NimbleGov PAC, is embedded on this page with timestamped questions, candidate answer summaries and searchable automatic captions.
How many candidates answered the South Laguna questions?
Eight candidates answered all 12 questions. Edward Bayuk was absent; moderator James Henry read his submitted closing statement, which is separately labeled in the archive.
Are any more City Council candidate forums scheduled?
All currently listed City Council forums have concluded, including the October 15 Chamber forum. Watch its recording through the forum directory and check the City schedule for any newly announced events.